League Winners Shield?

[ouch]

Lol you try to be clever and make out that fans have walk away because of the play offs ...if your so keen and good on facts why not explain how you worked that out

I just appear clever when chatting with you.

 

You made the statement, now back it up or retract it.

Edited September 13, 2016 by ouch

[Bagpuss]

I truly believe the club that finishes top should recieve absolutely...........nothing other than the pick in the playoffs.

 

Sponsors would be confused as to who is the champions. It would be a Spaticus moment. We are champions....no we are champions.

 

All these Belle Vue fans trying to make someting of finishing top. Well done you get first pick. That is it.

 

Nothing to see here. Move along.........

I don't believe for one moment that Superleague's sponsors get confused. Pretty simple concept to grasp really.

[orion]

I just appear clever when chatting with you.

 

You made the statement, now back it up or retract it.

You don't lol ...still waiting for you back what you were saying about how you linked crowds going down with Play offs ..so far no answer ..being so clever as you think you are it should be quite easy

[ouch]

I remember in the 80s in particular, when we had a high points limit, one club would often run away with the title.

 

Cradley, Oxford and Coventry all come to mind as winning pretty much unopposed in various years.

Apart from Coventry in 87 & 88 all the other titles during the 80's were won in the winning teams last 2-4 matches during October.

You don't lol ...still waiting for you back what you were saying about how you linked crowds going down with Play offs ..so far no answer ..being so clever as you think you are it should be quite easy

As I thought no factual back up. What a waste of space you are. No backbone.

[Steve Shovlar]

For gods sake someone go along to Timpsons and buy a ruddy plaque. Here you go.

 

https://www.timpson.co.uk/engraved-products/trophies/cups-shields/mini-2.html

 

Someone tomorrow can throw it at the riders on parade and then the bv lot will be happy.

[pugwash]

For gods sake someone go along to Timpsons and buy a ruddy plaque. Here you go.

 

https://www.timpson.co.uk/engraved-products/trophies/cups-shields/mini-2.html

 

Someone tomorrow can throw it at the riders on parade and then the bv lot will be happy.

[orion]

 

As I thought no factual back up. What a waste of space you are. No backbone.

If your talking about you and your facts about the play offs you are correct ..you have no factual back up or backbone

[Trees]

I could not help sitting with gritted teeth last night watching the Belle Vue/Poole meeting last night on sky. Oh dear Nigel does need to get his house in order, there is not a more avid Poole supporter in the world, he was shouting and screaming every time a Poole rider won and made himself look a total idiot when he was ranting on and on that Newman was going from last to second only to go back to last in the next few yards. I know he gets a little fired up when comentating but nothing on a scale as when he is doing it when Poole are on SKy.

The pair of them are very bias towards Poole, it's sickening.

[BWitcher]

The pair of them are very bias towards Poole, it's sickening.

 

Another one who only hears what they want too.

 

What is sickening and biased is the fallacies of a few on here regarding them.

 

Again, nobody mentions Jacobs and Cook who both Pearson and Tatum were going crazy over.. Why? Because that doesn't fit your rhetoric, so best just ignore it so you can make up garbage.

Edited September 14, 2016 by BWitcher

[waiheke1]

Apart from Coventry in 87 & 88 all the other titles during the 80's were won in the winning teams last 2-4 matches during October.

 

As I thought no factual back up. What a waste of space you are. No backbone.

Even Cradley in 83?

In how many other seasons did more than say 4 teams have any chance of winning the title after the end of July? Or did 75% of the league have nothing to race for?

The pair of them are very bias towards Poole, it's sickening.

Aces fan, honestly can't say I thought they were biased last night. Praised riders from both teams I thought. People seem to be getting hung up on the Newman "pass", but Tbh it did look like he may have just got through the gap, and the cook "tape touch".

Think they do a good job, and if you don't like them, mute them and put dome decent music on while you watch.

I truly believe the club that finishes top should recieve absolutely...........nothing other than the pick in the playoffs.

 

Sponsors would be confused as to who is the champions. It would be a Spaticus moment. We are champions....no we are champions.

 

 

Doesn't say much for the sponsors intelligence then does it? Rugby League fans generally aren't renowned for their intellectual prowess, but they seem to be able to manage without being confused.

So I'm sure speedway sponsors and fans, with possible exception of the odd speedway star seller or retired journalist, could figure it out as well.

[Grachan]

Apart from Coventry in 87 & 88 all the other titles during the 80's were won in the winning teams last 2-4 matches during October.

Oxford won the league by 10 points in 1985. That, in itself, is 5 matches.

 

Cradley won by 7 points in 1983.

[ouch]

Yes correct. That was the year the bonus point was introduced meaning many late fixtures were worth 3 points.

 

Re Cradley winning by 7, four meetings worth 2 points each is 8. That's why I said up to four meetings.

 

Here are the gaps between the top two teams.

80 3 (2)

81 7 (4)

82 6 (3)

83 7 (4)

84 3 (2)

85 10* (4)

86 6 (2)

87 16 (6)

88 16 (6)

89 6 (2)

 

Hope the facts don't launch Orion into another abusive rant. He don't like facts..

[B.V 72]

A question for the stattos out there, how many years have we had play offs in the top flight? how many times has a team who has finished top of the league standings has subsequently not gone on to win the play offs? and finally how many times has a team that has finished third or fourth in the regular league gone on to at least make the play off final? (I suspect in the latter case its extremely few)

 

And final final question, when was the last time we have witnessed a semi final 2nd leg where the tie was realistically still in the balance and not a case of going through the motions (for my memory its very rare for semi final to have any interest as a contest after the first leg)

The play offs started in 2002 so not inc this year as no stats yet 14 years.6 teams who finished top of the league have not gone on to win the play offs. Re teams finishing 3/4 for the first 7 years (for 2 of those years 5 teams qualified for the play offs the team who finished top of the league were seeded straight to the final) the semis were higher placed teams had just an home leg no away leg so a big advantage for finishing in the higher league position.Over these 7 years no lower placed team ever reached the final.In 2009 the home and away semis started but for this year only the league winners were given a 8 point start and 2nd place a 4 point start for the semis the top 2 placed teams in the league reached the final.

So from 2010 to 2015 when it was home and away semis with no advantage teams that have finished 3/4 in the league have reached the final 4 times and a team who have finished 4th have won it twice.(from my memory this period was when some teams if needed started to use tactics to change there teams for the play offs.)In the early years no changes were allowed not even for injurys you had to use r/r.

Edited September 14, 2016 by B.V 72

[Grachan]

Yes correct. That was the year the bonus point was introduced meaning many late fixtures were worth 3 points.

 

Re Cradley winning by 7, four meetings worth 2 points each is 8. That's why I said up to four meetings.

 

Here are the gaps between the top two teams.

80 3 (2)

81 7 (4)

82 6 (3)

83 7 (4)

84 3 (2)

85 10* (4)

86 6 (2)

87 16 (6)

88 16 (6)

89 6 (2)

 

Hope the facts don't launch Orion into another abusive rant. He don't like facts..

Those years when Cradley/Coventry/Oxford were winning it was clear from about 1 month into the season which side was going to win the league.

 

I don't think play-offs would have made much difference either. Everyone would still have been clear who was going to win as all 3 teams had no realistic competition. That was, probably, down to the points limit being too high more than anything.

 

If we had a points limit of about 45 nowadays I don't think anyone would get close to Poole in any season.

 

When Swindon won the league in 67 they won it on the final match of the season with an away win at King's Lynn. I also remember being at an amazing night at Reading when Ipswich clinched the league title.

 

Plays offs are good. I like them. Both methods of winning are eqully valid in my opinion, as long as the rules are clear from the start and stuck with all year so everyone knows them.

[waiheke1]

And aces in 82 won the title when it went to the wire.

Can you name a season where after July, more than 3 teams had anything to race for?

84 when ipswich Cradley and belle vue all had a chance is the only season I can remember where more than 2 teams had a chance heading late into the last couple of months.

[marko]

The play offs started in 2002 so not inc this year as no stats yet 14 years.6 teams who finished top of the league have not gone on to win the play offs. Re teams finishing 3/4 for the first 7 years (for 2 of those years 5 teams qualified for the play offs the team who finished top of the league were seeded straight to the final) the semis were higher placed teams had just an home leg no away leg so a big advantage for finishing in the higher league position.Over these 7 years no lower placed team ever reached the final.In 2009 the home and away semis started but for this year only the league winners were given a 8 point start and 2nd place a 4 point start for the semis the top 2 placed teams in the league reached the final.

So from 2010 to 2015 when it was home and away semis with no advantage teams that have finished 3/4 in the league have reached the final 4 times and a team who have finished 4th have won it twice.(from my memory this period was when some teams if needed started to use tactics to change there teams for the play offs.)In the early years no changes were allowed not even for injurys you had to use r/r.

 

Cheers

it had completely slipped my memory they used to have a points handicap, maybe the points was too excessive but I think the idea was right because there should be some advantage for finishing higher up but I would do it as follows:

first placed team vs 3/4th 3 point advantage over the 30 heats

second placed team vs 3/4th 1 point advantage over 30 meaning a tie on agg before adjustment, second place team wins

and for the final itself again the first placed team has 1 point advantage over 30 heats, that one point could be crucial but without weighting the tie to be too once sided.

[stevebrum]

Not Long for the play offs now with the league programme the warm up act nearly done.

Good to see the doom and gloom bunch are still bleating on about how wrong they are.

Without them speedway would be even less attended. Even this week we still have crucial fixtures involving teams that wouldn't be even in with a shout in the 'good old days'.

So thankful that we have them and can't wait for them to start, a bigger bonus that my team is still up for being crowned league champions.

Funny how the PL, NL, Danish league, Polish League , Swedish league all use the same successful format tho isn't it?!

 

Not long now folks, you can nearly smell the excitement.

[stevebrum]

You sound more like your 'uncle' every day?

How many coach loads from Swindon will be at Belle Vue tonight? I'm going for zero, a few car loads though with it being so crucial.

Fans getting excited for the cup semi and final has always been the case hasn't it?

Whereas you sound like someone banging the same drum year in year out.

No idea what 'cup' you are going on about. It's irrelevant when talking about the season end show that is the league championship title decider.

Fans have been picking and choosing meetings for years now, but that's more to do with the strength and format of the EL and the constant devaluing of the league as a whole plus the shambolic rulebook that many lost to the sport detest.

Swindon fans I would imagine would turn up in large numbers considering this week is a make or break one for both their club and that of Lakeside fans. If people want to go they will.

No real true theory on reasons why.

[stevebrum]

You've no idea what cup?

It might not be exactly the same as this one but it will be at least a bit like it, ha ha!

They aren't playing for "the cup", they are racing for the league title.

A trophy is presented for the league winners.

Probably why it isn't called the Play Off Cup I guess.

[Aces51]

Not Long for the play offs now with the league programme the warm up act nearly done.

Good to see the doom and gloom bunch are still bleating on about how wrong they are.

Without them speedway would be even less attended. Even this week we still have crucial fixtures involving teams that wouldn't be even in with a shout in the 'good old days'.

So thankful that we have them and can't wait for them to start, a bigger bonus that my team is still up for being crowned league champions.

Funny how the PL, NL, Danish league, Polish League , Swedish league all use the same successful format tho isn't it?!

Not long now folks, you can nearly smell the excitement.

Sorry to hear that Steve, not nice when people get over excited and have those sort of accidents.