Grachan Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 That's a good idea, in fact why not give the championship to the top team in the qualifiers and the Craven Shield to the winners of the knockout cup bit. Everyone knows that the winners of the qualifiers comes second to the winners of the knockout cup bit so I think it would be more appropriate to give the trophy named in honour of Peter Craven to the winners of the more important bit rather than the trophy named after a minority TV channel. I know it won't fool the clever fans, especially some of the really clever bsf fans, but the promoters could use it as a marketing tool to attract fans who don't realise that winning the cup bit is more important than the league bit. Been tried. Wasn't a success. Craven Shield was just a secondary competition that meant very little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Been tried. Wasn't a success. Craven Shield was just a secondary competition that meant very little. But the Craven Shield was a completely different competition, the shield is engraved already too unless it could be altered? And would whoever has control of the shield want it used for the top of the league trophy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Why don't we call the team top of the league Elite League Champions and the team that wins the play offs Elite League Play off champions? Bit windy? Edging your bet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I suggested that a few years ago in a letter that was printed in the Speedway Star. It's common sense. There was a shield - it must be somewhere. Hand it over to the league table toppers. They get something for finishing top. And one of the great riders of British Speedway is acknowledged. Would have been particularly nice this year, with Belle Vue winning it. On Sky too. That's the minor title. And then the teams go for the major title in the play-offs. All the best Rob Far, far too simplistic and sensible for Speedway... And a much, much too obvious thing to do.... Better to have the commentators last night going on about what an achievement it was and have zero in the way of a presentation to Belle Vue... Never misses a way to undersell itself British Speedway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I could not help sitting with gritted teeth last night watching the Belle Vue/Poole meeting last night on sky. Oh dear Nigel does need to get his house in order, there is not a more avid Poole supporter in the world, he was shouting and screaming every time a Poole rider won and made himself look a total idiot when he was ranting on and on that Newman was going from last to second only to go back to last in the next few yards. I know he gets a little fired up when comentating but nothing on a scale as when he is doing it when Poole are on SKy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I truly believe the club that finishes top should recieve absolutely...........nothing other than the pick in the playoffs. Sponsors would be confused as to who is the champions. It would be a Spaticus moment. We are champions....no we are champions. All these Belle Vue fans trying to make someting of finishing top. Well done you get first pick. That is it. Nothing to see here. Move along......... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I truly believe the club that finishes top should recieve absolutely...........nothing other than the pick in the playoffs. Sponsors would be confused as to who is the champions. It would be a Spaticus moment. We are champions....no we are champions. All these Belle Vue fans trying to make someting of finishing top. Well done you get first pick. That is it. Nothing to see here. Move along......... They certainly weren't bothered about it last year!! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovalman Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I'm Spartacus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I truly believe the club that finishes top should recieve absolutely...........nothing other than the pick in the playoffs. Sponsors would be confused as to who is the champions. It would be a Spaticus moment. We are champions....no we are champions. All these Belle Vue fans trying to make someting of finishing top. Well done you get first pick. That is it. Nothing to see here. Move along......... The best team in the league will finish top. Then the best team that has been able to bring in riders to replace those out of form (Joonas) or those that are injured (Hans) means that the teams who creep in have strengthened up and can be the form horses going into the play offs. The team (Belle Vue) who have been the best team are then penalised for being successful. Coventry came from bottom , changed a load of riders, crept in and won the league. Everyone knew if they got 4th they would be favourites. Poole were the best team that season and were robbed. Same as the season when Poole had all the momentum and changed half a team and crept in and won it. Whoever finishes top is the best team in my eyes. Not one who can change thing to win a cup competition. That said i do enjoy watching the play offs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) The best team in the league will finish top. Then the best team that has been able to bring in riders to replace those out of form (Joonas) or those that are injured (Hans) means that the teams who creep in have strengthened up and can be the form horses going into the play offs. The team (Belle Vue) who have been the best team are then penalised for being successful. Coventry came from bottom , changed a load of riders, crept in and won the league. Everyone knew if they got 4th they would be favourites. Poole were the best team that season and were robbed. Same as the season when Poole had all the momentum and changed half a team and crept in and won it. Whoever finishes top is the best team in my eyes. Not one who can change thing to win a cup competition. That said i do enjoy watching the play offs. Reasonably unbiased post from you. For a change.. See, you can do it without using a single swear word.. Impressive.. You keep posting like that and i may, take you off block. But i feel so much better not having to read your posts. Well something creative needs to be done and the Craven Shield suggestion (not by a Belle Vue fan) is as good as any. Not to my mind mate. Bring back the K O Cup. that would fill a lot of the gaps.. Edited September 13, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I could not help sitting with gritted teeth last night watching the Belle Vue/Poole meeting last night on sky. Oh dear Nigel does need to get his house in order, there is not a more avid Poole supporter in the world, he was shouting and screaming every time a Poole rider won and made himself look a total idiot when he was ranting on and on that Newman was going from last to second only to go back to last in the next few yards. I know he gets a little fired up when comentating but nothing on a scale as when he is doing it when Poole are on SKy. Bless. Of course you weren't listening when he got equally excited about Joe Jacobs and Craig Cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Why do we get these threads every year? QED. Years ago there use to be endless debates in all the speedway press and on the terraces about the old league format and when will play offs be introduced. 😄 The only people the play offs seem to pee off are the traditionalist anorak wearers with their painted boards and shiny badges. Their use to be thousands of them ever week back in the day. Who needs 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 A question for the stattos out there, how many years have we had play offs in the top flight? how many times has a team who has finished top of the league standings has subsequently not gone on to win the play offs? and finally how many times has a team that has finished third or fourth in the regular league gone on to at least make the play off final? (I suspect in the latter case its extremely few) And final final question, when was the last time we have witnessed a semi final 2nd leg where the tie was realistically still in the balance and not a case of going through the motions (for my memory its very rare for semi final to have any interest as a contest after the first leg) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Reasonably unbiased post from you. For a change.. See, you can do it without using a single swear word.. Impressive.. You keep posting like that and i may, take you off block. But i feel so much better not having to read your posts. Not to my mind mate. Bring back the K O Cup. that would fill a lot of the gaps.. Im not biased i just stick up for what i believe in with my opinions. Were Poole robbed the year Coventry won it? Yes Were Birmingham robbed the year Poole win it? Yes If Belle Vue dont win it will hey be robbed? If Poole change riders and Hans doesnt come back then yes. Just out of interest if you have blocked me how have you read my post and responded as nobody else has quoted it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Last year I posted a thread on here about the fans buy a small trophy that they presented to the winners of the "league" got a few responses but only 1 person was actually willing to cough up any cash. Seems that for all the moaning by fans and claiming of "IMO the real champions..." etc that when it comes to it people are happy for the play-offs to be the only trophy awarded. I think some people just need a good excuse to have a moan. All people needed to do was donate £5-10, wouldn't have needed many people to buy a trophy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Why do we get these threads every year? QED. Years ago there use to be endless debates in all the speedway press and on the terraces about the old league format and when will play offs be introduced. The only people the play offs seem to pee off are the traditionalist anorak wearers with their painted boards and shiny badges. Their use to be thousands of them ever week back in the day. Who needs 'em. .Yea we remember the sport was going so well that they change things for no reason...I think it's been said before the sport a higher % each year before the play offs come about so these traditionalist anorak wearers with their painted boards and shiny badges must have been upset about something else. Thou if we go back to the old format these many others will come rushing back knowing when a team wins the league by july there be nothing for there teams to race for anymore Edited September 13, 2016 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 How many teams under either system won the title by July or even with 2 or 3 meetings left for that matter? Look it up then forget to respond as the facts would prove you wrong - again. I'd respond to the first paragraph but I don't understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 How many teams under either system won the title by July or even with 2 or 3 meetings left for that matter? Look it up then forget to respond as the facts would prove you wrong - again. I'd respond to the first paragraph but I don't understand it. Orions spot on. If a team sewed up the league in july A, there would be nothing for clubs to ride for, and B attendance's would drop like a stone. Which would you prefere, a play off system that keeps the season alive or a dead duck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 How many teams under either system won the title by July or even with 2 or 3 meetings left for that matter? Look it up then forget to respond as the facts would prove you wrong - again. I'd respond to the first paragraph but I don't understand it. Lol you try to be clever and make out that fans have walk away because of the play offs ...if your so keen and good on facts why not explain how you worked that out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 How many teams under either system won the title by July or even with 2 or 3 meetings left for that matter? Look it up then forget to respond as the facts would prove you wrong - again. I'd respond to the first paragraph but I don't understand it. I remember in the 80s in particular, when we had a high points limit, one club would often run away with the title. Cradley, Oxford and Coventry all come to mind as winning pretty much unopposed in various years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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