RPNY Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Well yes he'd upset a lot of people for over a decade! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Just catching up with all that happened. Poor from Hancock with regard to the incident itself and his childish reaction to walk out. Regardless of whether it would be the right or wrong thing to do, I just can't see that they would strip him of the title - particularly with the large and unhealthy influence Monster have on the GP series, but there has to be some form of punishment - maybe a ban from the opening round of next year. End of the day Loram won the title in similar circumstances. I was there and it was totally blatant. Screen, who was much faster than Loram all night, spent the 5th ride waiving Loram through then spent 4 laps blocking every move Hampel could throw at him.Was there outrage? Nope. Just a big well done to Screeny for helping his countryman win the wc. As I remember, SKY were egging Screen on to help Loram that night, yet I'm sure they then questioned Gustafsson for appearing to shield Rickardsson later on in the meeting. Might have got that wrong though. Perhaps it's time to lay down some ground rules for riders that race under a team sponsored banner such as Monster if it was in the GP rules that another rider can help another rider under that sponsorship banner fans wouldn't feel so cheated as they have today - it would also encourage other sponsors maybe Red Bull to have a team in the GPS and others of course- just a thought I could be talking c##p No problem with Monster backing the series, but they should NOT be collaborating with individual riders. It all adds to the number of "hangers on" in the pits, many of who have no business to be there and just get in the way - normally when something kicks off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Lets be honest GH wouldn't be a 4x WC if the likes of Trick, Crumpy & Gollob were still around, the current batch seem to look up to him like he's some god like being, those three didn't wave him by, they pushed him out the way, all this grin and monster bollocks gets on my wick, just a facade to get preferential treatment, roll on next season when hopefully Doyley gets to be the WC he should have been and the others stop waving the old timer through. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Lets be honest GH wouldn't be a 4x WC if the likes of Trick, Crumpy & Gollob were still around, the current batch seem to look up to him like he's some god like being, those three didn't wave him by, they pushed him out the way, all this grin and monster bollocks gets on my wick, just a facade to get preferential treatment, roll on next season when hopefully Doyley gets to be the WC he should have been and the others stop waving the old timer through. I can accept Trick and Crump... not Gollob. Gollob is a 1 time World Champion who was in the series for a very long time and had multiple opportunities, often with several rounds in his home country. Hancock is way above him on the world stage. Edited October 28, 2016 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Because Greg is currently in the wrong it doesn't mean Nicki didn't get what was coming to him. Two very different issues! Define get what was coming to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Because Greg is currently in the wrong it doesn't mean Nicki didn't get what was coming to him. Two very different issues! Greg's altercation with Nicki was on a par with Craig Boyce thumping Tomasz Gollob, . At the time most thought Gollob like Nicki got what was coming to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Because Greg is currently in the wrong it doesn't mean Nicki didn't get what was coming to him. Two very different issues! Rubbish. Like others have said, Nicki rides hard, very hard but not deliberately dirty what HanCOCK did on track in the heat of the moment was stupid but partly understandable. What he did the following day by making that blog post was petty, pathetic and disgusting... arguably bullying. HanCOCK lives up to his name, COCK. Edited October 28, 2016 by TheReturn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 I can accept Trick and Crump... not Gollob. Gollob is a 1 time World Champion who was in the series for a very long time and had multiple opportunities, often with several rounds in his home country. Hancock is way above him on the world stage. Gollob was no respector of reputations though, during the Trick, Crump & pedersen time of dominance GH was nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Greg's altercation with Nicki was on a par with Craig Boyce thumping Tomasz Gollob, . At the time most thought Gollob like Nicki got what was coming to him Correct - superb example wish I'd used it. Rubbish. Like others have said, Nicki rides hard, very hard but not deliberately dirty what HanCOCK did on track in the heat of the moment was stupid but partly understandable. What he did the following day by making that blog post was petty, pathetic and disgusting... arguably bullying. HanCOCK lives up to his name, COCK. Fair enough if you don't like Greg, I'm not his biggest fan either. But to say Nicki was not deliberately dirty is preposterous, Anyway Greg was in the wrong, but it was a brilliant GP without him & roll on next year where I have him finishing top 8 at best. Define get what was coming to him. I mean some one was going to try and clump him with the amount of people he was upsetting. (like the Boyce/Gollob eg above) Not justifying it just saying it was obvious it was going to happen. The only surprise was the person who eventually did it... Edited October 28, 2016 by RPNYC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 But to say Nicki was not deliberately dirty is preposterous, You could argue Doyley was equally bad last year with his desperate SGP moves. It's just hard (silly sometimes) racing, which Doyley learned from, Nicki doesn't. The point is, Nicki is no worse that a lot of riders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 I would fully agree there are others that are tough. Doyle last year and Lindgren this year for sure. However there was about a 5 year spell where Nicki regularly stepped over the line. Unfortunately then that led to EVERYTHING he did being treated harshly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Lets be honest GH wouldn't be a 4x WC if the likes of Trick, Crumpy & Gollob were still around, the current batch seem to look up to him like he's some god like being, those three didn't wave him by, they pushed him out the way, all this grin and monster bollocks gets on my wick, just a facade to get preferential treatment, roll on next season when hopefully Doyley gets to be the WC he should have been and the others stop waving the old timer through. No doubt Gollob in his prime was a fabulous rider who may have been more successful in the world final system than the GP. Bottom line he was only good enough to win it once. I will say that Hancock seems to have more of a star-status over the rest of the field than Rickardsson had. Certainly Rickardsson never mucked about in the pits with the younger riders and thrust drink bottles in front of the camera every interview. He was ice-cool and had a hold over the others by psyching them out, not by trying to be peoples best mate. Edited October 28, 2016 by mb1990 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Hancock's image is ruined in the eyes of the fans. The Star can paint there own picture. But fans know the real story. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Tell me which other riders were excluded for cheating. When you can, you have an argument. You don't seem to grasp that the debate is regarding a rider who was excluded and subsequently walked out of the meeting. Not who may or may not have done something. As per usual you totally deflect an opinion to suit. You don't seem to grasp a ruling is open to interpretation - because you are always right, it's SIMPLE, CLEAR, FACT, blah blah blah so many times. You are so obsessed and self opioniated with this subject you are surpassing the Poole stalker. 'Only me!!!!!!, now I don't believe you wanted to do it like that'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 As did several others that were smarter than Mr Grin, it was obvious but more difficult to prove. In addition the WTC couldn't have been more fixed in certain races, did the culprits become 'ineligible'? The rule is not CLEAR (using your favoured word) but as we learn you know best. As per usual you totally deflect an opinion to suit. You don't seem to grasp a ruling is open to interpretation - because you are always right, it's SIMPLE, CLEAR, FACT, blah blah blah so many times. You are so obsessed and self opioniated with this subject you are surpassing the Poole stalker. 'Only me!!!!!!, now I don't believe you wanted to do it like that'. I didn't 'deflect' your opinion. You've staggeringly questioned why other riders you claim 'cheated' didn't become 'ineligible'. Well that's quite simply because cheating, throwing a race doesn't make you ineligible. The discussion is regarding Hancock withdrawing from the meeting, as such your post was entirely irrelevant. In an attempt to humor you I asked you to name me these other riders who you seem keen to bracket alongside Hancock i.e. excluded for cheating. Unable to name a single one you have come back with some childish petulance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 Lets be honest GH wouldn't be a 4x WC if the likes of Trick, Crumpy & Gollob were still around, the current batch seem to look up to him like he's some god like being, those three didn't wave him by, they pushed him out the way, all this grin and monster bollocks gets on my wick, just a facade to get preferential treatment, roll on next season when hopefully Doyley gets to be the WC he should have been and the others stop waving the old timer through. Couldn't agree more. Yes riders in years gone by would show respect to each other, but how the young GP riders of today praise Hancock off track and then they give him far too much respect on track is quite farcical. Hancock's game plan imo is to gain all the young guys friendship. So that they all think he is some kind of living legend and hey presto, when it comes to the racing side of things, they all give him an easy ride. Regarding PB and the SS. It's so piss poor journalism, how do they let him get away with it?. Surely someone should make sure it is a balanced article. Not a 'all hail Greg who shall do no wrong' It would have been nice to read a article telling it how it is from the other point of view. Lastly regarding Monster. Yes its good that a product which is well known is sponsoring the GP series, But it really doesn't help matters when their marketing director is hugging the sponsored riders and giving silly faces to the camera, but then again the t.v cameras should stop filming him or it's in his contract!! lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 Regarding PB and the SS. It's so piss poor journalism, how do they let him get away with it?. Surely someone should make sure it is a balanced article. Not a 'all hail Greg who shall do no wrong' It would have been nice to read a article telling it how it is from the other point of view. I reserved judgement until I'd had a chance to read this week's Spar, but I have to say that the reporting of the GP was absolutely ridiculous biased waffle. I'd be embarrassed to put that out as a journalist. Lastly regarding Monster. Yes its good that a product which is well known is sponsoring the GP series, But it really doesn't help matters when their marketing director is hugging the sponsored riders and giving silly faces to the camera, but then again the t.v cameras should stop filming him or it's in his contract!! What are they actually paying though? BSI's reported revenue has been declining over the past few years, and there's been no increase in the amounts coming out North America. The sponsorship may be coming via a European subsidiary, but normally sponsors and organisers alike to trumpet how much they're investing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 I would fully agree there are others that are tough. Doyle last year and Lindgren this year for sure. However there was about a 5 year spell where Nicki regularly stepped over the line. Unfortunately then that led to EVERYTHING he did being treated harshly. I love hard racing. Doyle wasn't dirty in 2015, he was impatient by going for a small gap when it wasn't always there. Lindgren has done nothing dangerous in my eyes but he does shut the door firmly when needed and he doesn't shut off the gas. The race him and Holder had in the SWC Final was tremendous and a credit to both riders bravery. Pedersen is the same as Lindgren. There are plenty of 'good mates' riding in the series so they will give each other room. Maybe those without a big team sponsor or those who ride without trying to be too friendly will ride harder than the rest ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 Nicki has never considered the consequences of his racing moves on the other riders and so you have to say he does it deliberately. He's not so bad as he was these days, perhaps he's heeded some of the words the riders and fans throw at him ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billywamill Posted October 29, 2016 Report Share Posted October 29, 2016 Bottom line is Hancock is the World Champion - just move on. It might keep some people awake at night but nothing is going to change the situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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