Steve Shovlar Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Not sure Holder did anything wrong?!? Of course he didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 All Holder did was rode his nuts off and was a joy to watch. And it isnt easy for me to praise any Aussie sporting success! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) THEN you obviously don't read SS very often. Publicly criticised his contract negotiations in Poland and his withdrawal from the SWC. Haven't seen this week's edition myself but would expect them to report the FACTS. Let's not forget that there has been plenty of riders and others on Twitter and the like defending Hancock and saying that his explanation of Heat 9 was sound. It is all about opinions. Probably the that were helped by his withdrawal from the meeting.The question that should be asked straight to his face is why did he not pull up when he went wide put his hand up was all he had to do there was no one near him.But we all know why he didn't!!!! he was talking about rider safety it would have been much worse is his bike had stopped going up the back straight with riders behind you.Pure waffle from him. Edited October 26, 2016 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Probably the that were helped by his withdrawal from the meeting.The question that should be asked straight to his face is why did he not pull up when he went wide put his hand up was all he had to do there was no one near him.But we all know why he didn't!!!! he was talking about rider safety it would have been much worse is his bike had stopped going up the back straight with riders behind you.Pure waffle from him. Some seem to be more gullible than you.....And the ref of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 THEN you obviously don't read SS very often. Publicly criticised his contract negotiations in Poland and his withdrawal from the SWC. Haven't seen this week's edition myself but would expect them to report the FACTS. Let's not forget that there has been plenty of riders and others on Twitter and the like defending Hancock and saying that his explanation of Heat 9 was sound. It is all about opinions. The really obvious, almost cliched response to that would be to paraphrase Mandy Rice Davies ... But dealing with that response more 'head on'. I think it would be pretty damned obvious that I DO read Speedway Star very often. A Speedway Supporter of fifty years standing will always be a regular reader of the only Speedway weekly. One would have to be pretty stupid to think for one moment that I would not. Having done so, religiously. I have formed the 'opinion' of it's coverage that I have just expressed. One may think it better for the Managing Editor to take a little head of contrary views, rather than be so knee-jerk in his rejection of any opinion other than his own. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/motorsport/556642/Nicki-Pedersen-Strip-Greg-Hancock-of-the-Speedway-world-title 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) Its fair to say not many other riders have complained about Gregs actions.. Edited October 26, 2016 by RPNYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) THEN you obviously don't read SS very often. Publicly criticised his contract negotiations in Poland and his withdrawal from the SWC. Haven't seen this week's edition myself but would expect them to report the FACTS. Let's not forget that there has been plenty of riders and others on Twitter and the like defending Hancock and saying that his explanation of Heat 9 was sound. It is all about opinions. Here's another opinion then....http://www.dailystar...way-world-title Edited October 26, 2016 by foamfence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 The really obvious, almost cliched response to that would be to paraphrase Mandy Rice Davies ... But dealing with that response more 'head on'. I think it would be pretty damned obvious that I DO read Speedway Star very often. A Speedway Supporter of fifty years standing will always be a regular reader of the only Speedway weekly. One would have to be pretty stupid to think for one moment that I would not. Having done so, religiously. I have formed the 'opinion' of it's coverage that I have just expressed. One may think it better for the Managing Editor to take a little head of contrary views, rather than be so knee-jerk in his rejection of any opinion other than his own. Or you could just disagree with everything Phil says because it isnt what you want to hear.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 RULED out for the rest of the year ... nothing about taking all his points away. No love lost between messrs Hancock and Pedersen for obvious reasons. Rightly or wrongly the FIM accepted his explanation for pulling out. They will leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) RULED out for the rest of the year ... nothing about taking all his points away. No love lost between messrs Hancock and Pedersen for obvious reasons. Rightly or wrongly the FIM accepted his explanation for pulling out. They will leave it at that. His points are meaningless, he is INELIGIBLE. What part of that word do you not understand? Did Shawn Moran have his points 'taken away'? Edited October 26, 2016 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) His points are meaningless, he is INELIGIBLE. What part of that word do you not understand? Did Shawn Moran have his points 'taken away'? I think he's trying to say that FIM have made a decision, used their own interpretation and that is that so it's irrelevant now what they SHOULD have done. Not to say you are wrong, BUT Like a refs decision in footy, they aint going to change their mind. Edited October 26, 2016 by RPNYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) I think he's trying to say that FIM have made a decision, used their own interpretation and that is that so it's irrelevant what the SHOULD have done. Not to say you are wrong, BUT Like a refs decision in footy, they aint going to change their mind. No he isn't, he's inventing an interpretation. There is no interpretation, it's quite clear. There is no interpretation regarding the word 'ineligible'. The FIM are just ignoring it because they know the rumpus it would cause with BSI and Monster. A precedent has been set now where the 'rules' don't mean a thing. Edited October 26, 2016 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Ignoring/interpreting I'm just agreeing that whatever way you look at it, they aren't going to change. And lets face it if they did stick to the letter of the law and strip Hancock of the title that would be insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Ignoring/interpreting I'm just agreeing that whatever way you look at it, they aren't going to change. And lets face it if they did stick to the letter of the law and strip Hancock of the title that would be insanity. No, insanity is ignoring the rules of the sport. The rule itself can be described as insanity, there's a difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 I just cant agree with sticking to a law that is that stupid sorry bud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 I just cant agree with sticking to a law that is that stupid sorry bud! So you advocate a corrupt sport then! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 No not at all. He should be punished for what he supposedly did. But to take away a championship from a guy who scored the most points fair and square would make a mockery of the sport in my opinion. I respect yours is different I just happen not to agree. I think excluding him from that race and making a statement that they are keeping a watchful eye on 'team' riding was a sensible thing to do and I'm happy that has bee brought to the attention of everyone. Anything more would just open up too many cans of worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 As ever with Speedway the rule is badly written. When I read it my immediate interpretation is that he would be ineligible to ride in any remaining rounds in 2016. I don't think its intent is to strip the rider of what they already have or strip him of the Championship. The fact that it is open to interpretation could land you in the courts, and I would wager that Monster has deeper pockets than BSI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) As ever with Speedway the rule is badly written. When I read it my immediate interpretation is that he would be ineligible to ride in any remaining rounds in 2016. I don't think its intent is to strip the rider of what they already have or strip him of the Championship. The fact that it is open to interpretation could land you in the courts, and I would wager that Monster has deeper pockets than BSI. Again, you've made up your own theory. It is quite clear. There is only one thing he is ineligible from that is the FIM Grand Prix World Speedway Championship. There is no mention of rounds. It is the Championship he is ineligible. It couldn't be any clearer. No not at all. He should be punished for what he supposedly did. But to take away a championship from a guy who scored the most points fair and square would make a mockery of the sport in my opinion. I respect yours is different I just happen not to agree. I think excluding him from that race and making a statement that they are keeping a watchful eye on 'team' riding was a sensible thing to do and I'm happy that has bee brought to the attention of everyone. Anything more would just open up too many cans of worms. Making up rules to suit is a corrupt sport. Anyway, the line up for next year looks awesome Edited October 26, 2016 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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