PHILIPRISING Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 I sometimes wonder if Havvy is actually on this planet some fo the things he comes out with HE has a huge chip on his shoulder after Sky dumped him because no one could understand what he was saying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Lion Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 What saddens me is that Havelock can't see what Hancock did was wrong.Perhaps he had the benefit of assistance during world championship qualifiers and thinks it's acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 They didn't but the way Kelvin questioned the move during the race sort of suggested to me that Kelvin thought it was suspicious, which was enough for me to rewind and take a look. Not just today for me. Hancock's recent crimes against speedway are: - Today, manipulating the race. - World Cup, cheating British fans by pulling out of the Belle Vue meeting, after making no reference to that in the qualification. - His attack on Nicki by publishing a website statement attacking his character. Unprofessional at best! You forgot sprinting a long distance and then physically abuse another rider by punching him. Repeated bullying of Nicki by Greg and his hang arounds. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 HE has a huge chip on his shoulder after Sky dumped him because no one could understand what he was saying. Hang on that`s our new team manager your criticising, though I agree with you completely. I think its to the FIM juries credit that they made their decision today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Wasn't listening intently as I try to drone out the shouty twins but they seemed to keep saying it was the referee's decision (i.e. one mans opinion) but from Hancocks tweet on here it seems the FIM jury agreed so several people I assume. Can anyone confirm and who does the FIM jury consist of? I'm full of admiration for whoever made the decision, such things have gone on far too long in speedway and it needs to be stamped out as much as possible. The monster connections gives any press mad enough to be interested plenty of scope for conspiracy and corruption theories. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Wasn't listening intently as I try to drone out the shouty twins but they seemed to keep saying it was the referee's decision (i.e. one mans opinion) but from Hancocks tweet on here it seems the FIM jury agreed so several people I assume. Can anyone confirm and who does the FIM jury consist of? I'm full of admiration for whoever made the decision, such things have gone on far too long in speedway and it needs to be stamped out as much as possible. The monster connections gives any press mad enough to be interested plenty of scope for conspiracy and corruption theories. I don't who makes up the jury but I'm sure it was Castagna who gave Hancock his winners medal and a kiss on each cheek, surely he must have some bearing on such a decision. Couldn't agree more about them making the decision straight away, totally unexpected on my part, thought it would be another of those things that get dealt with in secret, it was refreshing to see it dealt with so quickly, sends out a warning to any potential cheats and lets all the riders know who's boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Gutted for doyley good series 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HagueyUK Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Can I ask how many people who have posted on this topic with quite forthright views towards Greg, did you voice those same views in the same way back in 2000 when Mark Loram and Joe Screen were together in the final round of the championship working together throughout the whole meeting and in the pits right in front of the camera to help Mark to the title? Or what about the times when races have been thrown in world cups to aid teams? I'm not agreeing that it is right, far from it, and actually the stance taken by the FIM was needed. But imo it was needed day 1 that this happened. Then riders and teams wouldn't be doing it now. The FIM imo are to blame for being too lenient throughout their competitions over many years. I wonder how many of those top 16 riders on show today have made decisions similar before leaving the pits in other competitions over the years? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 (edited) I think this decision had to be made like this on the day because of the amount of critical heats leading to being a GP rider or not in 2017, it was so tight, favours could easily have been asked for, and given for race points..... And therefore GP places for 2017... Edited October 22, 2016 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtommo Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 it will be interesting to see if anything gets done with the hancock by the fim as the main sponsor being monster and you would not want to upset monster joe and his gang now would you , as far as the comments made by middlo and Havelock you would have thought they new better but it proves to me what I have always thought of those two as thick as the pair of them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Just need to hope that from now on the FIM act just as swiftly and decisively on future "occurences" like this, otherwise they will be just as bad as Hancock (and others over the years) have been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Can I ask how many people who have posted on this topic with quite forthright views towards Greg, did you voice those same views in the same way back in 2000 when Mark Loram and Joe Screen were together in the final round of the championship working together throughout the whole meeting and in the pits right in front of the camera to help Mark to the title? Or what about the times when races have been thrown in world cups to aid teams? I'm not agreeing that it is right, far from it, and actually the stance taken by the FIM was needed. But imo it was needed day 1 that this happened. Then riders and teams wouldn't be doing it now. The FIM imo are to blame for being too lenient throughout their competitions over many years. I wonder how many of those top 16 riders on show today have made decisions similar before leaving the pits in other competitions over the years? Better late than never! I condemn ALL cheating and always have. That was the excuse used by a national TV channel when asked why they had stopped covering Speedway " It's fixed." Why is this odious Monster Joe allowed in the pits, he serves no practical purpose whatsoever? Today was just another nail in the coffin of what is just a fairground sideshow. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Can I ask how many people who have posted on this topic with quite forthright views towards Greg, did you voice those same views in the same way back in 2000 when Mark Loram and Joe Screen were together in the final round of the championship working together throughout the whole meeting and in the pits right in front of the camera to help Mark to the title? Manipulating a race to help a friend/countryman or in this case Monster teammate is never acceptable. I would still say the same if Greg was helping Tai out tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 It's happened before, in all sorts of speedway competitions, and riders/teams have gotten away with it.... Perhaps this was the straw that broke the camels back? Hancock should have made a better job of the faux pas, perhaps looked down at his engine, or cut out, fuel taps, or something, instead of just slowing and leaving a hole the size of the USA for Holder to go through!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Can I ask how many people who have posted on this topic with quite forthright views towards Greg, did you voice those same views in the same way back in 2000 when Mark Loram and Joe Screen were together in the final round of the championship working together throughout the whole meeting and in the pits right in front of the camera to help Mark to the title? Or what about the times when races have been thrown in world cups to aid teams? I'm not agreeing that it is right, far from it, and actually the stance taken by the FIM was needed. But imo it was needed day 1 that this happened. Then riders and teams wouldn't be doing it now. The FIM imo are to blame for being too lenient throughout their competitions over many years. I wonder how many of those top 16 riders on show today have made decisions similar before leaving the pits in other competitions over the years? Yes I did say the same about Screen and Loram, It's happened before with Americans and as you say in World Cups. I voiced my disapproval then also. Not to so many people (early days for internet) but just as vociferously. The fact that it's happened before doesn't make it right, and you are correct it should have been stamped on long ago. What makes it more important IMO nowadays is the fact that many people now bet on the outcome of meetings and individual races (whether you approve or not) they have the right too expect riders to race at all times and not throw races because they have a friend or team mate who needs a point or two. I've given up on anyone from mainstream media taking speedway seriously as a sport. As I've said before the multi sponsoring by Monster makes allegations of conspiracy and corruption very easy for press investigations, which mainstream media love. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HenryW Posted October 22, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Personally I'm more disappointed in his decision to walk out the meeting. Riders have been excluded many times over the years for things that they don't agree with, but walking out and stiffing the fans that have paid good money to see him is pretty despicable. Riders get bans for refusing to start in GP and SWC events. Will a similar punishment come for someone leaving the event early? 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 (edited) Todays SGP was a terrific meeting spoilt by a few incidents. I don't condone Hancock for slowing down and helping another rider, we see this regularly through the season, but to do it so blatantly was insulting and against the integrity of the sport. Yes, the FIM did right in reprimanding Hancock, but for him to pull out, was an insult to everything that speedway thrives to achieve. People had paid good monies to watch and television broadcasting it over the world, this was a bad move. The crime of helping another rider is hard to police and difficult to prove and for this reason I think a public warning could have servised. Hancock, for his part should have been more professional and thought of others instead of himself. His actions belittled the occasion when it should have been the grand finale of the season. My opinion of Hancock has deteriated in recent times and todays episode only emphasises them thoughts. Hancock has ridden consistently all season and should be rightly acclaimed as the World Champion, but unfortunately today he will be remembered for the ungracious attitude he portrayed when he was taken to task...... Shame that.... Spelling changed Edited October 22, 2016 by GRW123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Personally I'm more disappointed in his decision to walk out the meeting. Riders have been excluded many times over the years for things that they don't agree with, but walking out and stiffing the fans that have paid good money to see him is pretty despicable. Riders get bans for refusing to start in GP and SWC events. Will a similar punishment come for someone leaving the event early? Spot on, that's my gripe too, the race throwing was dealt with swiftly and I was impressed, Hancock's subsequent actions are what turned me totally against him, as you say he gave no thought whatsoever to the people who had shelled out their hard earned to watch the meeting. I hope they give him a ban and a heavy fine for walking out. Todays SGP was a terrific meeting spoilt by a few incidents. I don't condone Hancock for slowing down and helping another rider, we see this regularly through the season, but to do it so blatantly was insulting and against the integrity of the sport. Yes, the FIM did right in reprimanding Hancock, but for him to pull out, was an insult to everything that speedway thrives to achieve. People had paid good monies to watch and television broadcasting it over the world, this was a bad move. The crime of helping another rider is hard to police and difficult to prove and for this reason I think a public warning could have servised. Hancock, for his part should have been more professional and thought of others instead of himself. His actions belittled the occasion when it should have been the grand finale of the season. My opinion of Hancock has deteriated in recent times and todays episode only emphasises them thoughts. Hancock has ridden consistently all season and should be rightly acclaimed as the World Champion, but unfortunately today he will be remembered for the ungroppious attitude he portrayed when he was taken to task...... Shame that.... I was sat here thinking what great wordage but I had to look it up for a literal meaning, no luck though. So is it anything to do with Donald Trump type behaviour with the Monster girls? If so then he's gone even further down in my estimation, those poor start girls.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Haha heat 9, Hancock was obviously riding his bike really oddly and would u believe it, went way too wide after checking twice if Chris was 2nd lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 GRW did you mean sufficed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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