Mark Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 One wonders had been another rider what would happen regarding a future ban, agree with you about his podium interview, pathetic. Thing is had he just retired from the race with engine problems, real or otherwise I doubt any of this would've happened, so I`m afraid Mr Hancock has brought all this on himself. He couldn't retire in the race as the perfect result was 3pts Holder 2pts Hancock then 1pt or 0pts Zmarzsik. By pulling out with a bike failure it didn't help Holder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 He couldn't retire in the race as the perfect result was 3pts Holder 2pts Hancock then 1pt or 0pts Zmarzsik. By pulling out with a bike failure it didn't help Holder. Fair enough but Hancock wouldn't have been excluded from the race and Holder would've got his 3pts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) Well that is what it says: That doesn't mean that he is not allowed to be wch, only that he cannot ride in the SGP any more this year which does not matter since this was the final GP this season. It doesn't say anything about riding. It clearly states, if you withdraw from a meeting you are ineligible for the FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship. definition of 'ineligible'. "legally or officially unable to be considered for a position or benefit." As per the rules Hancock should not be World Champion.. something which is clearly a 'benefit'. As the previous poster says, Hancock withdrawing rendered him ineligible for the Championship, his previous points should be irrelevant. Quote Furthermore, he shall be considered as ineligible for the FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship for the remainder of the season. Edited October 23, 2016 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Fair enough but Hancock wouldn't have been excluded from the race and Holder would've got his 3pts.But Zmarslik would have got a point which would not have helped Holder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Fair enough but Hancock wouldn't have been excluded from the race and Holder would've got his 3pts. Read my reply about preferred finishing order. If Hancock had retired then Holder would gain zero benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC67 Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 What have the various betting sites done/said about this little bit of race fixing ? Surely " The Grins " withdrawal affects the odds on the races he missed and the outcome of the meeting . In horse racing if a is withdrawn a certain amount is deducted from the winnings paid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Lot of anger on hereYes, at blatent cheating. Cheat are not liked, who would have thought that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) Have you got a link please of the Pearson/Tatum commentary. Not at the moment- Danish commentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJru4xk8hA4 Polish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfj5FALSbgE Edited October 23, 2016 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Even though i'm not a Greg Hancock fan I must say that the exclusion was strange, yes Hancock blatantly gave Holder all the room in the world to go through but he was still racing hard and fast enough to keep semi finalists Zagar and Zmarslic behind him, maybe after 55 years iv'e been watching too long a sport that is now on par with tiddlywinks, as in previous posts this sort of thing has happened before, John Davis let Michael Lee through in the 1980 World Final, Bruce Penhall's antics at White City although he was at the back pulling wheelies Having said all that withdrawing from the meeting was so unprofessional Penhall didn't deny he did it. Was openly blatant about it. Doesn't exscuse it though. Think it is Hancock's denial that I can't .get my head round. Always liked him but seen a different side in last couple of seasons. This artificial drinking out of a M bottle cheeses me off the most. It should be banned. Remember when Durex sponsored the test series in the 80s? Imagine the riders having to personally show them off every damn time they were on camera! Crappy M muck. All it is is a bottle of water with gas and a load of artificial brain stimulating crap in it. And the riders drink this during meetings?????? Think you will find they put water in it when at GPs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undercover Elephant Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Anyone care to comment on the nose dive attendence of 21.700 down from 26.685 last year. Hardly surprising on a number of levels, and I'll go out on a limb and say the figure will only decrease until the contract is up with Etihad, and then I think it will be either wind up or Sydney gets a crack and some money person stumps the bill. Can't see this continuing after the five year deal personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Greg explains; “It’s very technical but basically there’s a lever that connects to the handlebars and the clutch and it came loose, I think it started in my first race and it kept getting worse. Would that be the clutch lever...Once you get to the first corner there is no need to use the clutch lever until you finnish the race and turn around to go back in the pits. I'm no expert but have rode bikes for 35 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Exactly! If your clutch level goes you'll drag at the start and stall when you try and stop, not lose power during the race. Typical Greg Hancock bullrubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Anyone care to comment on the nose dive attendence of 21.700 down from 26.685 last year. Hardly surprising on a number of levels, and I'll go out on a limb and say the figure will only decrease until the contract is up with Etihad, and then I think it will be either wind up or Sydney gets a crack and some money person stumps the bill. Can't see this continuing after the five year deal personally. It's a fairly common pattern for speedway GPs. The public are initially curious and make an effort to see it, then the novelty wears off. That combined with little or no local promotion, which is a common observation, and before you know it Phillippe will be on here blaming competition from a monster truck rally in Western Australia, the wrong shape of the stadium, or possibly rising tram fares in the Melbourne metropolitan area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 I think that Doyle's injury probably is a big factor as well. Had he still been in the title fight, I think that the attendance would have been higher. Possibly higher than last year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) I personally can only imagine the crowd going up after watching that meeting Saturday night but I guess the main factors for next years attemdance are,how well Aussie are doing & promotion. I heard a lot about the road bikes out on Phillip Island (about 2 hours from Melbourne center) nothing about the SGP. However although a bit dissapointing 20k+ isn't a disgrace and after the success of Saturday night will hopefully grow. I also think that it's the final round doesn't help. 3 GPS in Aus all 3 times the series winner has been already known. Surely doesn't help maters.. Edited October 23, 2016 by RPNYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 This artificial drinking out of a M bottle cheeses me off the most. It should be banned. Remember when Durex sponsored the test series in the 80s? Imagine the riders having to personally show them off every damn time they were on camera! Crappy M muck. All it is is a bottle of water with gas and a load of artificial brain stimulating crap in it. And the riders drink this during meetings?????? If the Monster sponsored (well any energy drink really) riders drank as much of the product as it looked then they'd be like a 5 year old on a diet of Ribena and blue smarties! I dread to think what that would do to a 46 year old geez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dave C Posted October 23, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 While the Hancock episode undoubtedly overshadowed the meeting, this was another excellent Grand Prix with good racing throughout. I think its fair to say the general standard of racing has been consistently good throughout the season & I would suggest that this has been the best year since BSI took over in 2000. It seems that BSI / Speed Sport have finally learnt how to produce consistent temporary tracks, which promote exciting racing, having been rightly lambasted in the past for the state of some of the tracks & the tedious racing that was often served up. Perhaps harsh lessons really have been learnt following the Warsaw debacle last year. They deserve much credit & I say that having been a major critic of the Ole Olsen bore-fest tracks of the past. The drop in attendance from last year is disappointing & although Jason Doyle's injury must have been a big blow to the promoters, the reported lack of local media awareness & marketing is sadly familiar. Although it may seem like a good idea in principal, running on the same weekend as the Moto GP at Phillip Island is probably also questionable, unless there is a well promoted marketing arrangement to encourage fans & media to attend both events. Great to see Cal doing the business again though! Hancock really let himself & his sport down with his actions, which were ridiculous & utterly needless. It was a totally bizarre scenario considering that he had just won his forth World Championship at the age of 46 which is an incredible achievement in itself... I'm unclear exactly who the FIM jury consisted of (Castagna, Gardell & Morris?) but they called it exactly right & fair play to the Zmarzlik camp for making the protest, which was totally correct. The thing that winds people up about Hancocks conduct isn't so much the initial offense (which was dealt with fairly & proportionally) but his subsequent self righteous behavior. To withdraw from the GP is a complete insult to the fans & fellow competitors (bearing in mind the various medal & top 8 scenarios) then to try & justify it afterwards with a press release which was pure & utter BS makes it even worse. His combined actions surely count as "bringing the sport into disrepute" & although its probably unlikely, the FIM should take further action to really make the point. Middelditch, Oakes & the usual suspects straight onto twitter defending him which is entirely predictable, but also rather sad in itself. I spotted he was carrying Wessex Marine branding on his kevlars & I wonder if all his sponsors will be quite as charitable in their views & whether they are happy to have their companies associated with such behavior. It all leaves a very bad taste, just like a certain "energy" drink... 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 I am certain had Doyle been fit and potentially clinching the World Championship the crowd would have been higher, but it was all over as far as the Gold Medal was concerned. Before the event. Disgraceful from Hancock allowing Holder past, after he had secured the World Title. Fair play to Woffinden for finishing second despite his mate gifting points to his rivals for second. So glad Janowski & Lindgren finished outside the top 8, Lindgren had secured his spot for next year and we don't need Bjerre as a full time GP rider ever again. I would have preferred Iversen & Zagar to finish top 8 but I'll take Lindback & Zagar finishing higher than Janowski. Hampel, Pedersen, Zagar & Sayfutdinov as the permanent Wildcards for 2017. While there was some great racing the track was very inconsistent. Dear god please never allow Brady Kurtz near a world championship for a few years, dreadful yet dangerous. Sad to bid farewell to AJ on the GP scene, always thought he had the potential to be a world champion, but not ruthless enough. I like Bomber but he wont be missed at GP level. Glad both can concentrate on their league racing now. Hancock & Holder should be banned from the first GP of next year in my opinion. It was embarrassing. Hancock really let himself & his sport down with his actions, which were ridiculous & utterly needless. It was a totally bizarre scenario considering that he had just won his forth World Championship at the age of 46 which is an incredible achievement in itself... I'm unclear exactly who the FIM jury consisted of (Castagna, Gardell & Morris?) but they called it exactly right & fair play to the Zmarzlik camp for making the protest, which was totally correct. The thing that winds people up about Hancocks conduct isn't so much the initial offense (which was dealt with fairly & proportionally) but his subsequent self righteous behavior. To withdraw from the GP is a complete insult to the fans & fellow competitors (bearing in mind the various medal & top 8 scenarios) then to try & justify it afterwards with a press release which was pure & utter BS makes it even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Wow... he's now saying he pulled out of the meeting for the safety of other riders (or at least that's my interpretation, I will read it again with fresh eyes in the morning).... someone take the man's spade away, he's digging himself one hell of a hole there. greghancock45"I know my fans, sponsors and friends were disappointed that I withdrew from the event in Melbourne last Saturday but, racing at the top level requires full concentration, without which, you are a danger to your fellow competitors as well as yourself, and I was too distracted to be able to do that"! The FIM Jury disqualified me from my 3rd heat saying that I allowed Chris Holder to pass me on the final lap. Many of you don't know why I was disqualified and withdrew from the event but I was angry and disheartened by their accusations. I had a clutch issue caused by the loosening of the lower clutch arm assembly therefore causing an odd vibration and slipping of the clutch. I continued to ride cautiously & wide throughout the heat in case something was going to break as I did it want to have 3 riders coming into the back of me in the event that might happen. It's just my instinctive way. The race director was shown the problem on the bike yet they still overruled it and disqualified me. That is the honest truth and therefore I am very disappointed with the FIM Jury and their wrongful decision. Safety should be more of their concern. Thank you once again for coming to Melbourne and the amazing support. You all Rock!✊ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Hancock & Holder should be banned from the first GP of next year in my opinion. It was embarrassing. Not sure Holder did anything wrong?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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