Popular Post Liontamer Posted October 23, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 I don't care how much money Monster throws at the sport, they should NOT be allowed in the pits area crawling all over their sponsored riders. Red Bull don't do it and neither do any of the other riders sponsors. It's bad enough watching the riders constantly sucking on straws like a bunch of six year olds all the time without the so called Monster pigging Joe gathering his little band of riders round him like some infants school playground gang. Also, in a sport which now allows betting, speedway has to be very careful in my opinion over allegations of race fixing. The sport never recovered fully following the People's expose thirty odd years ago. 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 I think them bloody sucky bottles should be banned, must be helluva embarrassing for the riders, just having the Monster symbol plastered all over their caps is enough really ..... must admit I find the Joe-hugs a little ott as well but it is the American way .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 It's a rarity, but it seems almost everybody on the forum that's commented is in agreement over Hancock and what happened yesterday. I had a good look around riders on Twitter and it's a shame they all seem to be congratulating Greg nobody is questioning what he did, which I find a real shame. I'd be interested to hear what some of the riders would say away from social media! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 I don't care how much money Monster throws at the sport, they should NOT be allowed in the pits area crawling all over their sponsored riders. Red Bull don't do it and neither do any of the other riders sponsors. It's bad enough watching the riders constantly sucking on straws like a bunch of six year olds all the time without the so called Monster pigging Joe gathering his little band of riders round him like some infants school playground gang. Also, in a sport which now allows betting, speedway has to be very careful in my opinion over allegations of race fixing. The sport never recovered fully following the People's expose thirty odd years ago. Monsters sponsorship has been fantastic for speedway and long may it continue, but they shouldn't be allowed to affect the World Championship standings. IMO Hancock was dealt with yesterday with an exclusion, that is where his punishment should end, much worse for Hancock is the damage to his image within speedway ( for the fans anyway ). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 It's a rarity, but it seems almost everybody on the forum that's commented is in agreement over Hancock and what happened yesterday. I had a good look around riders on Twitter and it's a shame they all seem to be congratulating Greg nobody is questioning what he did, which I find a real shame. check what K.Hansen said. Complete opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 So no discipline for pulling out of the meeting and letting the fans down then ....Yes. Remarkable isn't it. Regulation 077.3.3 of FIM Grand Prix World Championship states - "A rider who has entered the FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship and refuses or is unable to take part, is deemed to be suspended competing internationally for a period of 1 day before and up to 3 days after the Grand Prix meetings concerned. Furthermore, he shall be considered as ineligible for the FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship for the remainder of the season. A rider who has started in the FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship must participate therein unless prevented from doing so by injury or other force majeure. A suitably qualified medical practitioner must certify injury or illness in writing to that effect." I may be misconstruing this but as Hancock pulled out of the meeting and was not injured he should be deemed to be suspended from 21 October to 25 October. The points scored in the Australian Grand Prix should be taken away from him. In addition as the regulation states ineligible for the Championship (as opposed to ineligible for Championship meetings for the rest of the season) he cannot be World Champion. Since when has an ineligible person been able to be a winner? Be interested to hear the thoughts of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 It says that he will be ineligible to take place in the rest of this year's championship but that doesn't matter since this was the last GP of this season and even if you remove his points, he is still 4p ahead of Tai, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 It says that he will be ineligible to take place in the rest of this year's championship but that doesn't matter since this was the last GP of this season and even if you remove his points, he is still 4p ahead of Tai, The regulations certainly make for interesting reading but as I posted before Hancock`s exclusion yesterday should be enough punishment. Hopefully in the years to come he will be remembered as a worthy World champion for 2016 and not for going off on the huffy bus as he did yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8scot Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 I'd be interested to hear what some of the riders would say away from social media! Or if they were one of the riders fighting for the top 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) It says that he will be ineligible to take place in the rest of this year's championship but that doesn't matter since this was the last GP of this season and even if you remove his points, he is still 4p ahead of Tai, I am aware he would still be ahead of Woffinden. All I am giving is my interpretation of the rules and what I believe should have happened. It states he would be ineligible for the Championship not that he was ineligible to take his place in the rest of it. Someone who is ineligible for the Championship cannot be the winner of it. Edited October 23, 2016 by brough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) I am aware he would still be ahead of Woffinden. All I am giving is my interpretation of the rules and what should have happened. It states he would be ineligible for the Championship not that he was ineligible to take his place in the rest of it. Someone who is ineligible for the Championship cannot be the winner of it. Well that is what it says: Furthermore, he shall be considered as ineligible for the FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship for the remainder of the season. That doesn't mean that he is not allowed to be wch, only that he cannot ride in the SGP any more this year which does not matter since this was the final GP this season. Edited October 23, 2016 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 IMO Hancock was dealt with yesterday with an exclusion, that is where his punishment should end, much worse for Hancock is the damage to his image within speedway ( for the fans anyway ). Yes, but he then threw his toys out of the pram and chose not to race, so that needs to be punished. If he excluded himself from the meeting, really they should not have given him the platform to be presented with the trophy at the end in front of the crowd who paid to watch him race, not sulk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Sad that's Greg and his wrong doings is getting all the coverage. Fantastic meeting, fantastic series & with hopefully he right riders picked for the 4 WCs next year it should be even better 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 The regulations certainly make for interesting reading but as I posted before Hancock`s exclusion yesterday should be enough punishment. Hopefully in the years to come he will be remembered as a worthy World champion for 2016 and not for going off on the huffy bus as he did yesterday.Hancock should have a GP ban for walking out a meeting .As usual it will be swept under the carpet and the fans treated like sh#t again.His Press Conference comments were pathetic.He rules and can do what he wants,that what it sounded to me. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mark Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) Yes. Remarkable isn't it. Regulation 077.3.3 of FIM Grand Prix World Championship states - "A rider who has entered the FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship and refuses or is unable to take part, is deemed to be suspended competing internationally for a period of 1 day before and up to 3 days after the Grand Prix meetings concerned. Furthermore, he shall be considered as ineligible for the FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship for the remainder of the season. A rider who has started in the FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship must participate therein unless prevented from doing so by injury or other force majeure. A suitably qualified medical practitioner must certify injury or illness in writing to that effect." I may be misconstruing this but as Hancock pulled out of the meeting and was not injured he should be deemed to be suspended from 21 October to 25 October. The points scored in the Australian Grand Prix should be taken away from him. In addition as the regulation states ineligible for the Championship (as opposed to ineligible for Championship meetings for the rest of the season) he cannot be World Champion. Since when has an ineligible person been able to be a winner? Be interested to hear the thoughts of others. Interesting to read this rule. Its flawed as in the case of Hancock there are no more 2016 meetings from which to ban him. That needs looking at and maybe a punishment should be carried over to the following season. He has no excuse for walking out the meeting. It denied the paying public, he did not ride a heat against Woffy, Janowski or Iversen, so his actions had a direct barring on the podium and top 8. Even though i'm not a Greg Hancock fan I must say that the exclusion was strange, yes Hancock blatantly gave Holder all the room in the world to go through but he was still racing hard and fast enough to keep semi finalists Zagar and Zmarslic behind him, maybe after 55 years iv'e been watching too long a sport that is now on par with tiddlywinks, as in previous posts this sort of thing has happened before, John Davis let Michael Lee through in the 1980 World Final, Bruce Penhall's antics at White City although he was at the back pulling wheelies Having said all that withdrawing from the meeting was so unprofessional Rubbish. He let Holder go past on the first bend of Lap 4. There was no chance of Zagar & Zmartzik also getting past. When Holder went past Hancock immediately quickened his own pace again. They were side by side down the back straight. He did NOT go wide on the last bend of Lap 4, he was very close to Holder, which blocked the two other riders. It also makes his statement (worried about losing a chain & crashing into another rider) total garbage. Edited October 23, 2016 by marky 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Interesting to read this rule. Its flawed as in the case of Hancock there are no more 2016 meetings from which to ban him. That needs looking at and maybe a punishment should be carried over to the following season. He has no excuse for walking out the meeting. It denied the paying public, he did not ride a heat against Woffy, Janowski or Iversen, so his actions had a direct barring on the podium and top 8. Rubbish. He let Holder go past on the first bend of Lap 4. There was no chance of Zagar & Zmartzik also getting past. When Holder went past Hancock immediately quickened his own pace again. They were side by side down the back straight. He did NOT go wide on the last bend of Lap 4, he was very close to Holder, which blocked the two other riders. It also makes his statement (worried about losing a chain & crashing into another rider) total garbage. 100% correct. left a hole the size of the channel tunnel for Holder to ride through and then (even with a failing machine) managed to find the drive to keep side by side with Holder all the way down the straight. Blatant as you like. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Interesting to read this rule. Its flawed as in the case of Hancock there are no more 2016 meetings from which to ban him. That needs looking at and maybe a punishment should be carried over to the following season. Agree. As it now, a rider can do whatever he wants in the final round, if the standings are already decided, without getting any further penalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 Hancock should have a GP ban for walking out a meeting .As usual it will be swept under the carpet and the fans treated like sh#t again.His Press Conference comments were pathetic.He rules and can do what he wants,that what it sounded to me. One wonders had been another rider what would happen regarding a future ban, agree with you about his podium interview, pathetic. Thing is had he just retired from the race with engine problems, real or otherwise I doubt any of this would've happened, so I`m afraid Mr Hancock has brought all this on himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 End of the day Loram won the title in similar circumstances. I was there and it was totally blatant. Screen, who was much faster than Loram all night, spent the 5th ride waiving Loram through then spent 4 laps blocking every move Hampel could throw at him. Was there outrage? Nope. Just a big well done to Screeny for helping his countryman win the wc. Not the same as what Hancock did in my eyes And you were there were you in Poland?? If you did then you saw a different race or meeting then i did. Screen was much faster than Loram all night?? Well it was Screens 6th ride and Marks 3rd ride and Mark had won his last race so hard to tell who was fastest on the night. 5th ride? Where does that come from? It was the old system where first 2 go through and the last 2 go to an eliminator. Spent the 5th(?) ride 'waiving' Loram through?? Erm he moved over a bit on bends 3 and 4 of lap one and let Mark past. And then yes he made sure Hampel couldnt get close. So yes he helped Mark but not anywhere near the level Hancock did by making it as blatant as it could be by going wide and continually looking for Holder until the last bend. Have a little look back at the Screen/Loram race because you describe it somewhat different to anyone else. And how lovely to see old man Muddlo make a twit of himself again on social media he just cant help it............oh hang on Hancock and Holder..........Poole connection..........of course its what kids do these days...........its not table tennis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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