Bagpuss Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Surely if Holder ends up missing meetings is no different to King missing meetings... whether it's for Ipswich or whoever. Bates' Championship side will get priority on his services once the season has begun if he doesn't have a Premiership side. Precisely, people wanting Holder and Bailey replacing don't seem to realise just how many matches King and Bates would miss. Any rider absences do my head in but one or two by Holder as opposed to dozens from King & Bates is a no brainer how ever galling the Polish willy waving is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_O Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Precisely, people wanting Holder and Bailey replacing don't seem to realise just how many matches King and Bates would miss. Any rider absences do my head in but one or two by Holder as opposed to dozens from King & Bates is a no brainer how ever galling the Polish willy waving is. Dozens... Quick flick through the fixtures has King missing 3 times and Bates 5. When the Poles rearrange fixtures to suit them, Holder will miss more than a couple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Moot anyway as they have signed for Leicester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Talking about star riders missing UK meetings, because of the Polish having first dibs on rider services, if you also take into account what Chris Holder has said about the huge difference in pay rates between UK PL and Polish top division being huge, how can you trust a rider to ride with 100% commitment for your UK team, for a fraction of what he can earn in Poland, knowing an off, could make him miss Polish meetings? How can you trust them to give it 100%? Perhaps that's why MF got rid? Knowing CH might only be riding for Poole at 75%/80% by not taking chances he would for his Polish team? Even subconsciously, CH might not give 100%.. You'd like to think this wouldn't happen, but this is real World stuff.... What do you Kings Lynn fans think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Talking about star riders missing UK meetings, because of the Polish having first dibs on rider services, if you also take into account what Chris Holder has said about the huge difference in pay rates between UK PL and Polish top division being huge, how can you trust a rider to ride with 100% commitment for your UK team, for a fraction of what he can earn in Poland, knowing an off, could make him miss Polish meetings? How can you trust them to give it 100%? Perhaps that's why MF got rid? Knowing CH might only be riding for Poole at 75%/80% by not taking chances he would for his Polish team? Even subconsciously, CH might not give 100%.. You'd like to think this wouldn't happen, but this is real World stuff.... What do you Kings Lynn fans think? Not a KL fan but.. For me if I had two jobs and one paid TEN times the salary of the other I know which job I would focus on getting absolutely 100% right.. A natural response I would say, either consciously or sub-consciously.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 You'd imagine that would be he mindset of any rider who rides over here and in Poland. I guess it's up to the team manager to motivate that rider, and surely once the helmet goes on and the tapes rise racing instinct kicks in. The much lower level of opposition for riders like Holder and Doyle allows them to take it a little easier in most heats over here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 I've been called old sckool, many times, but in my world you do what you are paid to do. The rewards gained in Poland have always outclassed those earnt in the UK , but that has never stood in the way of Elite clubs using riders, home based or not, from riding in both leagues. I'll stick my neck out and say in NKI, he was KL most committed rider when riding for the club. Every time Neils went out to race he gave it 110%. I expect no less from Chris Holder cause to me they are of the same mould. If riders want to conquer the world they need to race fully committed every time. Once they start choosing which races to try hard and which ones not to bother they may as well give up now. Riders cannot be wrapped up in cotton wool. They do a dangerous job and expect the injuries when they come. I have the utmost confidence in Chris Holder doing a first class job.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Chris will still want to earn the maximum amount of money he can here I'd have thought. You could say the same about the GPS, they don't earn as much in them as bloody Poland but they sure as hell give 100% effort. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Talking about star riders missing UK meetings, because of the Polish having first dibs on rider services, if you also take into account what Chris Holder has said about the huge difference in pay rates between UK PL and Polish top division being huge, how can you trust a rider to ride with 100% commitment for your UK team, for a fraction of what he can earn in Poland, knowing an off, could make him miss Polish meetings? How can you trust them to give it 100%? Perhaps that's why MF got rid? Knowing CH might only be riding for Poole at 75%/80% by not taking chances he would for his Polish team? Even subconsciously, CH might not give 100%.. You'd like to think this wouldn't happen, but this is real World stuff.... What do you Kings Lynn fans think? Can't imagine that would be Ford's thought process otherwise he would never have employed Kasprzak, who is well known for giving up if he's not winning races. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Talking about star riders missing UK meetings, because of the Polish having first dibs on rider services, if you also take into account what Chris Holder has said about the huge difference in pay rates between UK PL and Polish top division being huge, how can you trust a rider to ride with 100% commitment for your UK team, for a fraction of what he can earn in Poland, knowing an off, could make him miss Polish meetings? How can you trust them to give it 100%? Perhaps that's why MF got rid? Knowing CH might only be riding for Poole at 75%/80% by not taking chances he would for his Polish team? Even subconsciously, CH might not give 100%.. You'd like to think this wouldn't happen, but this is real World stuff.... What do you Kings Lynn fans think? I think the there could be a lot of truth in this point of view. As a Stars fan I am concerned about some of CH's comments on the issue. I would prefer that KL replace CH with Danny King - if that was contractually and legally possible. If the Poland situation continues I think that there will be NO GP riders or top world class riders in the UK in 2018. Except for the cream of the up & coming British young guns. That would be no bad thing as UK speedway IS going through quite a transformation and 2018 will see further steps with more changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 I think the there could be a lot of truth in this point of view. As a Stars fan I am concerned about some of CH's comments on the issue. I would prefer that KL replace CH with Danny King - if that was contractually and legally possible. If the Poland situation continues I think that there will be NO GP riders or top world class riders in the UK in 2018. Except for the cream of the up & coming British young guns. That would be no bad thing as UK speedway IS going through quite a transformation and 2018 will see further steps with more changes. It's a bit late for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Don't think we need to worry to much. I don't believe the promotion will take fools next season. Under achievers will be binned off and if to many meetings are missed they'll get replaced too. Think it's a wait and see as to how many rearranged fixtures happen in Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Don't think we need to worry to much. I don't believe the promotion will take fools next season. Under achievers will be binned off and if to many meetings are missed they'll get replaced too. Think it's a wait and see as to how many rearranged fixtures happen in Poland i doubt that, it didnt happen with buster there i really cant imagine lyon or allitt sacking anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 i doubt that, it didnt happen with buster there i really cant imagine lyon or allitt sacking anyone. Lyon has promised they won't be slow to react to poor performers again. I guess time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Once the helmet goes on i would say the adrenalin kicks in and they will go out to win the races.You have more chance of getting injured taking it easy as some people say,rather than going hell for leather.C.Holder will do alright by us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Lyon has promised they won't be slow to react to poor performers again. I guess time will tell. Lets hope so because a weak team being left with one or two "can't cut it riders" for meeting after meeting is going to cause the crowd size to diminish yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Grand Prixs is where you see the top boys putting it in the line. Team racing for riders is less important whether it be UK Poland Sweden or Denmark. Riders know there is another meeting the next day or the one after. Plus I wonder how many of the top boys are on guaranteed money with their clubs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 Bloody GPs ..... is 25 years up yet, I guess after that blasted Poland will want to take the series over then and we know they are on a bloody high! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 That's it Trees bloody Poland next thing will be UK Speedway supporters traveling over there to watch. Not happy with having all the top riders they will want all the UKs top fans as well lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted March 24, 2017 Report Share Posted March 24, 2017 That's it Trees bloody Poland next thing will be UK Speedway supporters traveling over there to watch. Not happy with having all the top riders they will want all the UKs top fans as well lol Yep I for one will be going regularly again this year to watch first class line ups on excellent tracks that meetings are promoted second to none Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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