King's Lynn Stars 2017

[waiheke1]

I'm sure you can find much worse options than Cook and Harris!

[orion]

Bored of all the other stuff going on around the play-offs so fancied something different

 

What could possibly be the worst Stars7 for 2017?

Current 40.5 average limits

 

1. Craig Cook 7.37

2. Lewis Bridger 5.94

3. Nicholai Klindt 6.36

4. Davey Watt 5.40

5. Chris Harris 6.62

6. Josh Auty 4.90

7. James Sarjeant 3.77

 

40.36

I think this side is the worst I have ever seen put together ...please tell that this is humour .

Edited September 27, 2016 by orion

[DWP]

Nice to hear from someone with similar views to myself. I have been hoping Buster was the man to change it all, but as of yet, I am still to be impressed. Because of the dire state of our league and the amount of work needed to be done, we should be hearing noises now of what is the direction these changes are going to take. If the BSPA are thinking along the lines of ' We'll sort it out at the AGM' they couldn't be more wrong.

 

These discussions need structure, they need changes that need to be discussed and opinions aired. The whole rule book wants binning and starting again, and all this needs time. No one man can do this alone, so it's very worrying that so far we have heard nothing.

 

With the modern social media we all use, it has never been easier to get opinions and ideas. Surely had the BSPA had the intention to asking fans opinions it could have been achieved without too much hassle.

 

I don't have much hope for big changes. The BSPA has always been about them and us, what a pity they don't realise we're in this together......

With respect - as we know Buster was voted in as Chairman after the rules for 2016 were made. For that reason Buster has had his hands tied behind his back all season. In my opinion taking a lot of unfair flack from supporters. I have spoken to Buster numerous times throughout the season and at times felt he could "throw in the towel -and walk away" But he won't - he wants to get speedway right. With the season as near as damn it over, there has been a lot of discussions and I think we should all give him the chance now as Chairman to make his mark. Certain we won't all be 100% happy, but if he gets his way to scrap the rule book and write a simpler version it will be a start. But remember he's only Chairman and the BSPA is run by committee, so the dinasours could vote every new change out and we will be back to square one. God help the sport if this happens. But until we hear the proposals please give the guy a chance.

[B.V 72]

 

Nice to hear from someone with similar views to myself. I have been hoping Buster was the man to change it all, but as of yet, I am still to be impressed. Because of the dire state of our league and the amount of work needed to be done, we should be hearing noises now of what is the direction these changes are going to take. If the BSPA are thinking along the lines of ' We'll sort it out at the AGM' they couldn't be more wrong.

 

These discussions need structure, they need changes that need to be discussed and opinions aired. The whole rule book wants binning and starting again, and all this needs time. No one man can do this alone, so it's very worrying that so far we have heard nothing.

 

With the modern social media we all use, it has never been easier to get opinions and ideas. Surely had the BSPA had the intention to asking fans opinions it could have been achieved without too much hassle.

 

I don't have much hope for big changes. The BSPA has always been about them and us, what a pity they don't realise we're in this together......

Yes it needs lots of work and as you say a sit down round a table for one weekend will just not cut it they are really going to have to spend a lot of time and effort to get it even half right.

I will wait for the AGM with bated breath but if i am honest i dont think we will get much joy.I dont even have a clue where they will start trying to work out team strengths now they have totally cocked up the average method let alone anything else.

[bigcatdiary]

Well Buster did say the rule-book needs scrapping and starting again.So hopefully that will be implemented over the winter.

It needs to have been started months ago for it to be ready for next year

[Aces51]

Yes it needs lots of work and as you say a sit down round a table for one weekend will just not cut it they are really going to have to spend a lot of time and effort to get it even half right.

I will wait for the AGM with bated breath but if i am honest i dont think we will get much joy.I dont even have a clue where they will start trying to work out team strengths now they have totally cocked up the average method let alone anything else.

I am not in favour of grading riders but as a one off it may be the answer for next year. Assuming we go back to the old race format or, a format with only one EDR who cannot move up into the 1-5, then we could revert to using more realistic averages for team building in 2018 However, I can't say I have much confidence in the powers that be grading riders fairly and properly following the ridiculous Lindback assessment and the heat leader list at the beginning of the season.

 

I think we must give Chapman a chance, what other option is there. However, whilst accepting he was stuck with the rules this year, he has not exactly inspired confidence both by the lack of communication and general poor team and track at Kings Lynn this year and by his deafening silence over issues that have arisen, the latest shenanigans in the play offs being an example. No wonder people already have no confidence in his promise of openness and transparency. People who are in leadership positions have to be seen to lead if they want to inspire confidence and respect. He could say something to let everyone know he is there and has an opinion even if it is that agrees with what CVS has said. At least we would then know what he thinks and that someone actually is at the helm.

Edited September 27, 2016 by Aces51

[waiheke1]

Bored of all the other stuff going on around the play-offs so fancied something different

 

What could possibly be the worst Stars7 for 2017?

Current 40.5 average limits

 

1. Craig Cook 7.37

2. Lewis Bridger 5.94

3. Nicholai Klindt 6.36

4. Davey Watt 5.40

5. Chris Harris 6.62

6. Josh Auty 4.90

7. James Sarjeant 3.77

 

40.36

Bjarne Pedersen 6.90

Simon Stead 6.70

 

Instead of cook and harris? Still over the 40 point mark and definitely weaker imho.

If u need to be closer to 40.5, then maybe swap garritty/lawson for klindt and Newman for Auty in addition to the above changes?

I am not in favour of grading riders but as a one off it may be the answer for next year. Assuming we go back to the old race format or, a format with only one EDR who cannot move up into the 1-5, then we could revert to using more realistic averages for team building in 2018 However, I can't say I have much confidence in the powers that be grading riders fairly and properly following the ridiculous Lindback assessment and the heat leader list at the beginning of the season.

 

I think we must give Chapman a chance, what other option is there. However, whilst accepting he was stuck with the rules this year, he has not exactly inspired confidence both by the lack of communication and general poor team and track at Kings Lynn this year and by his deafening silence over issues that have arisen, the latest shenanigans in the play offs being an example. No wonder people already have no confidence in his promise of openness and transparency. People who are in leadership positions have to be seen to lead if they want to inspire confidence and respect. He could say something to let everyone know he is there and has an opinion even if it is that agrees with what CVS has said. At least we would then know what he thinks and that someone actually is at the helm.

I font think it needs a lot of work at all.

Points scored at 2nd string get multiplied by 0.75 those at reserve by 0.5.

Riders not racing El in the last two seasons instead are assessed in line with their top flight swedish/polish average.

A suitable multiplier could be found for other foreign leagues and the PL.

Pay scb a few hundred quid to do the calculations via his database.

Job done in a weekend I imagine, with averages for all riders worldwide locked in. New initisl team builfing points limit circa 35 points I think would then do the job.

Edit: my post was also partly in response to the post you quoted.

Edited September 27, 2016 by waihekeaces1

[B.V 72]

I am not in favour of grading riders but as a one off it may be the answer for next year. Assuming we go back to the old race format or, a format with only one EDR who cannot move up into the 1-5, then we could revert to using more realistic averages for team building in 2018 However, I can't say I have much confidence in the powers that be grading riders fairly and properly following the ridiculous Lindback assessment and the heat leader list at the beginning of the season.

 

I think we must give Chapman a chance, what other option is there. However, whilst accepting he was stuck with the rules this year, he has not exactly inspired confidence both by the lack of communication and general poor team and track at Kings Lynn this year and by his deafening silence over issues that have arisen, the latest shenanigans in the play offs being an example. No wonder people already have no confidence in his promise of openness and transparency. People who are in leadership positions have to be seen to lead if they want to inspire confidence and respect. He could say something to let everyone know he is there and has an opinion even if it is that agrees with what CVS has said. At least we would then know what he thinks and that someone actually is at the helm.

Yes i agree i think a grading system is the only way out of the mess they have made over the last two seasons,and i to have no confidence in the powers that be to do this fairly. i can just see now the pages and pages of digruntled fans moaning how they have got it all wrong.

[waiheke1]

Totally disagree with a grading system, especially after the shambles that was this year's draft. Grading is too subjective, and riders "on the cusp" of grades become either bargains or barely employable.

I strongly believe converted averages is the way to go.

Bjarne pedersen 6.90

L bridger 5.94

S stead 6.70

D watt 5.40

J garritty 6.00

K Newman 5.64

C Wilkinson 3.74

 

Totsl:40.32

Anyone put together a "stronger" team than that?

[Aces51]

As I said I'm not in favour of grading but neither do I think the BSPA would come up with a system of converting the totally messed up averages into something which would be credible.

 

After all these are the people who failed to realise what they had done this year by keeping the protected heats for the EDR's but allowing movement into the 1-5's. How messed up is it that we now have an injured rider with an inflated average from riding at reserve who can be replaced by riders who have gained their average racing against heat leaders.

[g13webb]

We are all aware of the unreal averages at the moment, but nothing will change untill the heat format is sorted. We need to revert back to the old system where they're no easy heats or protected races and all the riding positions are as equal to each other. Only then can we try to sort out the present muddled scores in the hope of level teams.

 

The EDR system could have been a decent idea had it been run fairly. but when we have crocked selection process it was domed to failure. I have no doubt had Coventry, or other teams, been given Newman and Ellis as reserves, they too would have won the league. In its present guise the skill factor of the EDR's varies so much. and subsequently have too much importance in the results of matches. This has to change...... Probably teams only having one rider from a equal quality pool could be the answer..... Anything would be better than what we have now.....

[Trees]

Couldn't someone work out the averages so protected edr race results are excluded from riders's averages and then probably 2nd strings against 2nd strings and heat leader against heat leader ........ would be interesting what it throws up. So it would only be reserves against 2nd strings and heat leaders, 2nd strings against heat leaders, heat leaders v 2nd strings and reserves.

I may be way out but it would be a comparison between riders of different quality ........

[kelvinht]

Well done to Robert for his bronze medal in u21's.

[Trees]

So Stars fans what's your team wish list for 2017 ....

[semion]

Competitive

[Woz01]

I think you will see Bomber heading to Kings Lynn.

[mdmc82]

I think you will see Bomber heading to Kings Lynn.

I have heard the same. Surprised as the track has become more gate and go

[Trees]

Niels-Kristian Iversen wont be back.

 

Three leagues only for riders riding in the PGE Ekstraliga.

 

Niels-Kristian Iversen has put pen to paper in Stal Gorzow. Niels-Kristian Iversen will also ride in Denmark and Sweden.

Will just have to wait to see if this is confirmed, he was quoted in the ELRC prog as saying if things stay the same he will stay racing in the UK, hope so .....

[Star Fever]

Will just have to wait to see if this is confirmed, he was quoted in the ELRC prog as saying if things stay the same he will stay racing in the UK, hope so .

 

.This week's Speedway Star suggests the same - so seems hopeful

[Daniel Smith]

So Stars fans what's your team wish list for 2017 ....

 

The same as the last 20+ years, rider's and a management team that will show they give a s#!+ for the club rather than just their bank accounts

 

Unfortunately, just think those days are gone