kelvinht Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 Kk would be the better option unless away fixtures at Leicester and rye house can avoid sgp weekends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Having watch both riders for a few years, to me there's no comparison. Whilst both have exceptional talent and indeed quality riders, KK is very much a confidence rider whose mood is not always as it should. He scored well when racing here last year, but how many times has he let Coventry down. yes he may have a lesser average than Holder but ask yourself why!! Holder is one of the best, in the top 5 of the world, a true professional who gives his all every time he rides. He suffered badly from 2 tragic accidents plus the effect of Darcy's accident, but he proved last year to be back to his best. When comparing all the factors of the two men KK doesn't even come close. Â Holder is in a different league..... He is one of the few men who could actually replace NKI..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 I would have mixed feelings about Holder if he signed, would obviously be an excellent number one and one of the top two riders in the league, and he rides Lynn as well as anyone. However he would be taking up over 20% of the points for the whole team building and there is always that underlying suspicion that he would want to go back to his parent club in 2018 with a lower average. Â Whatever they do a strong reserve must be signed. Huckenbeck the most likely candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 You say a strong reserve must be signed, but me personally rather have a strong top 5 than one decent reserve. Â Old format, if you've got a strong reserve and a weak 2nd heatleader your just counteracting the hard work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 I would have mixed feelings about Holder if he signed, would obviously be an excellent number one and one of the top two riders in the league, and he rides Lynn as well as anyone. However he would be taking up over 20% of the points for the whole team building and there is always that underlying suspicion that he would want to go back to his parent club in 2018 with a lower average. Â Whatever they do a strong reserve must be signed. Huckenbeck the most likely candidate. Â The average that Holder is on will obviously drop. It would drop wherever he rode even at Poole. I'm a great believer in living today first and let address the future tomorrow.. We may not have a league next year, least of all one that includes riders like Holder. Lets grab this opportunity now, waiting for guaranteed success never works... Â I agree Huckenbeck would be tremendous as a reserve rider, he is more than capable of improving to a 2nd String, but we don't need two strong reserves. They only need to have 3 rides, whereas a strong No1 can score double figures most weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Absolutely, one strong reserve would be sufficient with the change in format. Have a feeling that those sides with two poor reserves will struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Having watch both riders for a few years, to me there's no comparison. Whilst both have exceptional talent and indeed quality riders, KK is very much a confidence rider whose mood is not always as it should. He scored well when racing here last year, but how many times has he let Coventry down. yes he may have a lesser average than Holder but ask yourself why!! Holder is one of the best, in the top 5 of the world, a true professional who gives his all every time he rides. He suffered badly from 2 tragic accidents plus the effect of Darcy's accident, but he proved last year to be back to his best. When comparing all the factors of the two men KK doesn't even come close. Â Holder is in a different league..... He is one of the few men who could actually replace NKI..... Couldn't agree more. KK is in no way the same class and standard as Holder. Has been a regular meeting misser in the UK for several seasons now and besides his one year of finishing 2nd in the world has always been an inconsistent rider. You maybe would save a point when compiling your team and although he had a pretty decent season for the Bees you still wouldn't know which KK you would get from match to match. Holder every time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 In England I don't think their is much in it. Â KK always turns it up a notch in a Poole race suit. Chris doesn't like small tracks (Rye and Wolves) Also Chris is a bit nervy around Coventry and rightly so after the horrific injury he suffered at the track. Â I would want both but we cant have both unfortunately. I would go with KK for 2 reasons (No GP's or Swedish team place) also KK always brings his A game when riding for Poole. Chris Holder was iffy last season. 1st half of the season was poor. 2nd half was good. This season we need a No.1 with no distraction's (GP's) Â KK would be more fresher than Holder because of his reduced schedule. (Britain, Poland & Maybe SEC) Â I would go with KK personally. But who knows what will happen maybe Hans is our No.1 we will have to wait and see. I was referring to KK being at Kings Lynn however no dispute regards him in a Poole jacket. It's almost the only time you see the real KK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 I know you was. After I replied to you're post I knew I made a mistake but I thought I would leave my post on the thread. That's ok, so long as you aren't one of those Poole fans who tries to ruin every thread it isn't a problem. Plus thankfully the majority of Poole fans are sensible. (Just 2 or 3 exceptions). Anyway let's give the Stars fans their thread back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Hopefully we will have KK at no 1 instead of holder as KK Ava rage must be a couple of points lower ?Just short of 1.5 points lower. Chris is 12.53 and I've seen KK's quoted as 11.07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 I wouldn't want KK at Lynn however good he is ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Connor Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 You can still have a team with 2-3 quality heat leaders and 1 strong reserve plus a token 2-3 point rider  Something along the lines of Neils/holder, Klindt, Lambert, Muselak, Cook/kk, Huckenbeck, Bailey.  Thats a very strong (probably very expensive) title winning team imo  There are lots of ways to add up to 50! The problem with the strength in depth approach is 6-7.5 average riders are always inconsistent. 12 points 1 meeting 4 the next.  Troy/Rory/Mads/Magic/Bjerre/Milik were all frustratingly inconsistent for us as can lambert also be at times. If your building a team with inconsistent riders then it will probely be another frustrating season! 2 strong heat leaders and a strong reserve means the other 4 riders will only probably have to score 15-20 points between them to win a meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 Who would you have then Trees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 With you on that Trees and can't see Buster paying out for KK to fly in and out for 5 minutes work. Thought the idea was cost cutting hence why the new League will be dumbed down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Have Kings Lynn announced anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Have Kings Lynn announced anyone? Â they normally have a supporters meeting in the bar and announce the whole team - it's due early December Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Discounting last year, our off season program goes along these lines.. Â October :Trying to forget to terrible season we had just finished.....and trying to be positive about the next. Discussing the forthcoming AGM and what are the expectations. November: Suggestion and discussion of team formation taking into account the new rules. Listening to other teams announcement Hoping our will be as good. December: The much awaited Supporters meeting when the new team is introduced. Banter with other teams who has the best opportunity to be successful January: New Year, New start, Waiting for formal announcement of fixtures and formats... Getting excited for the seasons prospects February: Anticipation is growing by the day. final plans put in place. Planning practice days to visit... March : The season is ready for the off. Banter now starts in earnest, everyone is in with a chance . April: Amazing how slow those winter mouths go. But the first fixtures are run.... Its good to be bad.... Â Looking that the timetable we are on track. I get plenty of enjoyment in the off-season just from reading the thoughts from fellow posters. Some are brilliant, some are not so, but most are good reading.... Edited November 21, 2016 by GRW123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Discounting last year, our off season program goes along these lines.. Â October :Trying to forget to terrible season we had just finished.....and trying to be positive about the next. Discussing the forthcoming AGM and what are the expectations. November: Suggestion and discussion of team formation taking into account the new rules. Listening to other teams announcement Hoping our will be as good. December: The much awaited Supporters meeting when the new team is introduced. Banter with other teams who has the best opportunity to be successful January: New Year, New start, Waiting for formal announcement of fixtures and formats... Getting excited for the seasons prospects February: Anticipation is growing by the day. final plans put in place. Planning practice days to visit... March : The season is ready for the off. Banter now starts in earnest, everyone is in with a chance . April: Amazing how slow those winter mouths go. But the first fixtures are run.... Its good to be bad.... Â Looking that the timetable we are on track. I get plenty of enjoyment in the off-season just from reading the thoughts from fellow posters. Some are brilliant, some are not so, but most are good reading.... can't beat hitting the ground running with team building the earlier the better as time goes by the choice of riders gets less as others sign riders up sadly we are going down the same route as last winter let's hope we don't end up with another very ordinary team . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 If announcements are being saved for a supporters evening in December then it's quite likely that riders have already been signed. Â 14 of 63 Elite League team spots have been filled by announced riders so far so really is too early to start flapping. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 can't beat hitting the ground running with team building the earlier the better as time goes by the choice of riders gets less as others sign riders up sadly we are going down the same route as last winter let's hope we don't end up with another very ordinary team . If you keep up,some riders have agreed for next season.They are awaiting decisions from others and will be announcing the team once all is done and dusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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