tellboy Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 I've had an explanation and it does stack up Buster had approval from Ford to speak to Gomolski & Jonasson and also Palm-Toft In return Batchelor & Holder WERE going to Poole but approval had to be confirmed. King's Lynn team could have been 1. Lambert 7.52 2. Huckenbeck 6.09 3. Palm-Toft 6.33 4. Jorgensen 6.08 5. Jonasson 5.69 6. Gomolski 5.51 7. Porsing 4.69 Ave: 41.91 This team was rejected as there wasn't 2 Brits in the team at all times. The intention was to run a 3rd reserve (Simon Lambert) for when a rider was missing but this isn't covered within the rules. Buster was in a last minute scramble to find a Brit replacement for 1 of the new 3 riders. Auty was then submitted in place of Gomolski very late on the Friday. Due to how late the new team was submitted the BSPA only gave the approval on the Saturday. Ford couldn't seek approval to have Holder & Batchelor included because they weren't released by King's Lynn. King's Lynn couldn't release riders until approval was issued (you seen what happened at Ipswich). Not far out with those proposed changes i think. No it is the decent thing to do! If all promoters stopped riders from earning a living there would be no British speedway. There is always riders stopped from earning a living in British speedway.Look at the number of riders dropped from teams this season.Just because they have a week,a month or maybe more to get another team it doesn't mean they are going to get employed again. Say Lynn let Holder and Batchelor go with a day spare.Poole then sign them,where would this leave someone like Kennett and Andersen.It's got to end somewhere and this season it was at Lynn. They have not been stopped from earning a living,i take they are still earning decent money in Sweden and Poland,unless they have been dropped there too. Maybe The BSPA should come up with a rule that the team you start with at the beginning of the season should be what you end with also.This would stop all arguments concerning these sort of situations.Barring long terms injuries of course,of which then you could have a replacement.But hiring and firing riders at will is a common thing now in speedway.Being a Poole fan you should know this anyway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) Not far out with those proposed changes i think. There is always riders stopped from earning a living in British speedway.Look at the number of riders dropped from teams this season.Just because they have a week,a month or maybe more to get another team it doesn't mean they are going to get employed again. Say Lynn let Holder and Batchelor go with a day spare.Poole then sign them,where would this leave someone like Kennett and Andersen.It's got to end somewhere and this season it was at Lynn. They have not been stopped from earning a living,i take they are still earning decent money in Sweden and Poland,unless they have been dropped there too. Maybe The BSPA should come up with a rule that the team you start with at the beginning of the season should be what you end with also.This would stop all arguments concerning these sort of situations.Barring long terms injuries of course,of which then you could have a replacement.But hiring and firing riders at will is a common thing now in speedway.Being a Poole fan you should know this anyway But at least other riders were given a chance of getting a team place, Holder and Batch had zero chance. I'm not bothered about them being sacked but they should be allowed a shot at another team place (I know it sounds like I'm saying this cos it's likely they would have come to Poole but I would say the same if they were off to Leicester!) that's the bit that I don't like. I've had an explanation and it does stack up Buster had approval from Ford to speak to Gomolski & Jonasson and also Palm-Toft In return Batchelor & Holder WERE going to Poole but approval had to be confirmed. King's Lynn team could have been 1. Lambert 7.52 2. Huckenbeck 6.09 3. Palm-Toft 6.33 4. Jorgensen 6.08 5. Jonasson 5.69 6. Gomolski 5.51 7. Porsing 4.69 Ave: 41.91 This team was rejected as there wasn't 2 Brits in the team at all times. The intention was to run a 3rd reserve (Simon Lambert) for when a rider was missing but this isn't covered within the rules. Buster was in a last minute scramble to find a Brit replacement for 1 of the new 3 riders. Auty was then submitted in place of Gomolski very late on the Friday. Due to how late the new team was submitted the BSPA only gave the approval on the Saturday. Ford couldn't seek approval to have Holder & Batchelor included because they weren't released by King's Lynn. King's Lynn couldn't release riders until approval was issued (you seen what happened at Ipswich). So Poole were gonna sign Batch and Holder yet said riders knew nothing about it! Pretty sure they'd have to agree! Plus - these two riders rant a lot on social media if that was going to happen they definitely would have gone on about it! Edited August 2, 2017 by lisa-colette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Plus - these two riders rant a lot on social media if that was going to happen they definitely would have gone on about it! Regarding their rants, Lewis Bridger was fined for something he said, I'm assuming as those two don't ride on British licences the SGB cannot do the same to them. Anyone know the answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 This is what happens when you have a transfer deadline. Nothing new in that, except it is a month earlier. I am sure many of you played Musical Chairs as a child. On this occasion, there were no seats left for Holder and Batchelor when the music stopped. This is pretty much what i was going to put in reply to lisa-colette.There's a transfer deadline so you can up to that point.You can't put a transfer deadline at July 31st but the changes must be notified a week earlier because you would still have the same scenario,just a week early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starboy118 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Yet we let KK go to Rye House which could put us out of play offs! But hey I guess we are not that bitter and vindictive. I thought the two things (KK going and subsequently finding a place elsewhere) were totally independent of each other. But at least other riders were given a chance of getting a team place, Holder and Batch had zero chance. I'm not bothered about them being sacked but they should be allowed a shot at another team place (I know it sounds like I'm saying this cos it's likely they would have come to Poole but I would say the same if they were off to Leicester!) that's the bit that I don't like. So Poole were gonna sign Batch and Holder yet said riders knew nothing about it! Pretty sure they'd have to agree! Plus - these two riders rant a lot on social media if that was going to happen they definitely would have gone on about it! Some cynical people might even suggest that the fiasco in the KL v Poole fixture was a premeditated and deliberate act designed solely to bring about the move mentioned above. Personally, I couldn't even consider such a thought! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 you can be sure that when Batchelor and Holder ride again in this country they would have learned What not to do if they havent then they must be fools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 I thought the two things (KK going and subsequently finding a place elsewhere) were totally independent of each other. Some cynical people might even suggest that the fiasco in the KL v Poole fixture was a premeditated and deliberate act designed solely to bring about the move mentioned above. Personally, I couldn't even consider such a thought! How could you think such a thing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZodiac Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 you can be sure that when Batchelor and Holder ride again in this country they would have learned What not to do if they havent then they must be fools I doubt if they will have learned anything. Judging by their previous contributions on social they seem to think that British speedway should revolve around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 This is what happens when you have a transfer deadline. Nothing new in that, except it is a month earlier. I am sure many of you played Musical Chairs as a child. On this occasion, there were no seats left for Holder and Batchelor when the music stopped. Depending on age a lot of kids cry when that happens, this is their version of it! I think they are justified in it although i can see both sides of the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 I thought the two things (KK going and subsequently finding a place elsewhere) were totally independent of each other. Some cynical people might even suggest that the fiasco in the KL v Poole fixture was a premeditated and deliberate act designed solely to bring about the move mentioned above. Personally, I couldn't even consider such a thought! Also I think Batch knew he was wanted at Poole. Why else would he mention them and complain and state that Poole were desperate for riders?!? If he wasn't contacted by Poole, how would he know?!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Also I think Batch knew he was wanted at Poole. Why else would he mention them and complain and state that Poole were desperate for riders?!? If he wasn't contacted by Poole, how would he know?!? Hardly takes a genius to work it out esp with all the press articles where Matt said he couldn't get a top rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 (edited) I've had an explanation and it does stack up Buster had approval from Ford to speak to Gomolski & Jonasson and also Palm-Toft In return Batchelor & Holder WERE going to Poole but approval had to be confirmed. King's Lynn team could have been 1. Lambert 7.52 2. Huckenbeck 6.09 3. Palm-Toft 6.33 4. Jorgensen 6.08 5. Jonasson 5.69 6. Gomolski 5.51 7. Porsing 4.69 Ave: 41.91 This team was rejected as there wasn't 2 Brits in the team at all times. The intention was to run a 3rd reserve (Simon Lambert) for when a rider was missing but this isn't covered within the rules. Buster was in a last minute scramble to find a Brit replacement for 1 of the new 3 riders. Auty was then submitted in place of Gomolski very late on the Friday. Due to how late the new team was submitted the BSPA only gave the approval on the Saturday. Ford couldn't seek approval to have Holder & Batchelor included because they weren't released by King's Lynn. King's Lynn couldn't release riders until approval was issued (you seen what happened at Ipswich). So despite the rules clearly stating that a side must have 2 riders whovwere elehible to have ridden NL, the chairman of the BSPA tried to name one with only 1 plus an additional 1 as a squad member who would cover in case of injury? Seriously? That is even worse - not sure you can call it anything other than an attempt to cheat!?! Edited August 2, 2017 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrhbig Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Obviously don't know the total "ins and outs" of the situation, but do feel a little sympathy for Troy Batchelor , who apparently had a medical certificate, and stated that if he had been called and told that he was being replaced before the deadline, would of accepted that, just seems harsh, and spiteful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Obviously don't know the total "ins and outs" of the situation, but do feel a little sympathy for Troy Batchelor , who apparently had a medical certificate, and stated that if he had been called and told that he was being replaced before the deadline, would of accepted that, just seems harsh, and spiteful.He would have accepted it because he was working his ticket and at a guess had something lined up.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrhbig Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 He would have accepted it because he was working his ticket and at a guess had something lined up.!So maybe the medical staff who issued the certificate should be sacked as well? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Hardly takes a genius to work it out esp with all the press articles where Matt said he couldn't get a top rider. and therefore in absence of a top rider being available he was willing to settle for Holder and Batch instead? don't see how they would have fitted though - you'd have had to ditch Andersen and Kennett or something like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 And if riders were allowed to to conduct themselves in the manner that these two guys did without repercussion, you would have the same end result.Holder got his punishment, Buster then punished him again big time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 I think the explanation by Danny was a joke and rather a good one I thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 So maybe the medical staff who issued the certificate should be sacked as well?Was he issued with a certificate or just told to go to hospital to have it checked out! It was fine the next day.Dont know what the situation is regarding being stood down from a meeting.Its all history now!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 2 fellow Lynn supporters were having a bet on how low Batchelor score would be against Swindon. His attitude made this point so obvious .. Pleased Buster put a stop to it ..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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