waytogo28 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Revised team 1. Iversen 9.04 2. Jorgensen 6.08 3. Huckenbeck 5.93 4. Williamson 5.06 5. R.Lambert 7.44 6. Porsing 4.96 7. S.Lambert 3.00 41.51 It's not overly strong but just want Batchelor and Holder out Indeed! me too. They have no loyalty to offer the Stars it seems. Sweden and Poland give Holder enough income so I am not even sure he wants to go to Poole ( except for the visa ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 I'd be cheesed off with Batch if i was Buster.Hard to prove he wasn't fit to race,but I know what I think.. Holder is a different case.Refused to ride.I'd get rid now.Poole can have him after the 28 day ban he deserves. He had a great night at Poole the night before,Showed them he can still do it,even though he's only on a 7 point ave now..Got a great reception so I hear.....Next night acts in a way that could and should of got him the sack.I'm sure that had nothing to do with his antics at Lynn and it was a just a case of lost gonads ....... I'm like that with Poole riders or having a Poole rider guest for you.Not saying anything dodgy is or has gone on,but it leaves me in doubt. C.Holder I think may be a quite complex character who can switch quickly from easy-going to awkward/difficult if something isn't right in his eyes. I imagine he can be difficult to manage, especially if the manager lacks good man-management skills. Holder seems to have got this way over the past 2-3 years and if he doesn't do something about it, nobody will want to employ him. Batchelor comes across as childish, someone who tends to blame anyone or anything except himself for his shortcomings or when the going gets tough. He would also be quite difficult to manage. Together they probably present a considerable challenge to manage, beyond the capability of the majority of speedway managers and promoters. Together they could also have a significantly negative influence on team harmony. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 most riders on Thursday didn't want to ride, even Poole riders, but they could see how rattled KL were so took a gamble and got on track 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 C.Holder I think may be a quite complex character who can switch quickly from easy-going to awkward/difficult if something isn't right in his eyes. I imagine he can be difficult to manage, especially if the manager lacks good man-management skills. Holder seems to have got this way over the past 2-3 years and if he doesn't do something about it, nobody will want to employ him. Batchelor comes across as childish, someone who tends to blame anyone or anything except himself for his shortcomings or when the going gets tough. He would also be quite difficult to manage. Together they probably present a considerable challenge to manage, beyond the capability of the majority of speedway managers and promoters. Together they could also have a significantly negative influence on team harmony. The last thing speedway, as a sport, and KL as a club need is this kind of disruptive "rider power" worsening things between supporters and promotions, as seems to be the case here, Holder and Batchelor are not riders of the Robert Lambert age and are sadly not going to change these negative aspects of their personalities. A great pity but we can expect other similar eruptions from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 most riders on Thursday didn't want to ride, even Poole riders, but they could see how rattled KL were so took a gamble and got on trackThat's how I read the situation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 most riders on Thursday didn't want to ride, even Poole riders, but they could see how rattled KL were so took a gamble and got on track Not quite accurate Steve. All the rider's want track work, 2 rider's didn't want to know regardless and pack up their gear. No matter which way you look at it it was totally unacceptable to be packing up your equipment when the meeting wasn't called off. Us fans were treated badly Thursday night by our own rider's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 People are blaming Holder and Batchelor for the unrest Thursday. Rob Lambert and Kai also refused to ride and were excluded leaving the Stars with the reserves taking there place in one race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 The fact that in the end Buster did extensive track work justified the stance of the riders ..... Buster tried to sort it by grading but it didn't work so took further measures .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Who do we get to replace Rose now,will this be a season ender for Rose again.Lebedevs would be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 You win as a team and loose as a team.All or nothing.Buster must of wanted them to carry on otherwise the whole team would of refused.Imagine what the camp will be like from now on.Could cost Lynn a play off place. Ok the track wasn't great but the Poole riders rode all 15 heats.If some of the Lynn riders went against the managers instruction..That don't bode well for the rest of the season.If Holder did pack up before the end.i'd get rid(in 29 days time), Poole can have him.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Who do we get to replace Rose now,will this be a season ender for Rose again.Lebedevs would be good Yeah don't think so, shame for Rose having a pretty good season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Yeah don't think so, shame for Rose having a pretty good season. Why not,you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtree123 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Who do we get to replace Rose now,will this be a season ender for Rose again.Lebedevs would be good Just hope its not Porsing......Does not put any effort into racing, rocks up as if he is a famous superstar ,spits his dummy out on numerous occasions, don't like to have his hair out of place or any shale up his finger nails and finally does not mix well with other team mates 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) Just hope its not Porsing......Does not put any effort into racing, rocks up as if he is a famous superstar ,spits his dummy out on numerous occasions, don't like to have his hair out of place or any shale up his finger nails and finally does not mix well with other team matesSzczapaniak? Mads would he fit? Edited July 15, 2017 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Mads would he fit? Not like for like.Klindt might at the next average change though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Revised team 1. Iversen 9.04 2. Jorgensen 6.08 3. Huckenbeck 5.93 4. Williamson 5.06 5. R.Lambert 7.44 6. Porsing 4.96 7. S.Lambert 3.00 41.51 It's not overly strong but just want Batchelor and Holder out Iversen can't because of the Polish ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 What i would like is to hear from Holder his reason for his conduct and the reason for his walking out. Batch must have had permission to withdraw as the referee wouldn't go on the riders reason for withdrawing. it must have been a medical verdict. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 People are blaming Holder and Batchelor for the unrest Thursday. Rob Lambert and Kai also refused to ride and were excluded leaving the Stars with the reserves taking there place in one race. Unfortunately, Lambert as Captain has to take on board opinions and views of his fellow riders, Lambert as a rider, had rode in 2 races and showed he was capable of getting results.. Because of his age and inexperience he was ram-roaded into objecting to ride on the back of the input from the 2 Aussies... Lambert was in a no-win situation. For that I I feel for him. His and Huckenbeck exclusion was totally the result of chaos in the pits., where leadership was non-existent. But no amount of goading should have tempted him into the spectators pen to confront an objector. He has to be more distant than that. Prior to this, there was some No-body at the pit gate giving his to'penneth about all the hanging about we had to endure, and again Lambert had to be restrained from going into the lions den. He needs to grow up and understand peoples frustration when things go wrong. Who do we get to replace Rose now,will this be a season ender for Rose again.Lebedevs would be good Our season ended on Thursday night......... It now appears the promotions at Kings Lynn are clueless and gutless at making the right decisions. It was always my belief the Club was more important than the Rider,, Not any more.......By not making example of these riders, is like saying: F--k the supporters, the riders can do as they like. They should both have been issued with 28 day suspension for withholding their services. Probably then, they might considered the consequences of their behaviour, but while the promoters keep wiping their arses, nothing will ever change... What will happen the next time the track is not to their liking. ??????? Foot note:- I feel sorry for Lewis Rose, He's one of the good guys, who has attained another nasty injury. He has such terrible luck... Hope your recuperation goes well . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S15BUT Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 I'm certainly no expert on tracks but it reminded me of how the track used to be when we were riding in the Premier league 10 yrs ago, deep and grippy, an attackers track that made it a fortress against opposing teams (a track that the home riders could understand and have an advantage with). Reminded me of the track when we beat Sheffield (annihilated more like). Recently the track has become very neutral so no home advantage. Maybe the riders need more practice on the deeper grippier track style? Looking at many other tracks over the years, the track on Thursday was still better than most and still very raceable. Once Buster had put down the sawdust? and neutralised the track we were back to the processional racing that everyone has been complaining about. I could see no reason to refuse to ride, i mean there was only 1 accident all night and as for Batch retiring from the meeting through injury but being able to ride the next day.... i don't know (maybe should have a 24hrs non ride rule in place?). The sport I love is dying on it arse and I think Buster does have the best intentions but there is only so much he can do with finances, rules etc. I was there on Thursday and was embarrassed for the fans and staff who work week to week to put on these events. To the riders who wanted to race, I thank you, to those who didn't, I hope you had very good reasons to let your fans down and trust you will be happy with the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 GRW said " What will happen the next time the track is not to their liking. ???????" That is what has finally killed off my interest ( obsession really ) in going to watch the Stars at Saddlebow Rd. Thurs night was not the first such time of being very, very messed about and kept waiting needlessly for track modifications demanded by riders, when Buster has said it's rideable and raceable ( and the referee too ). Supporters won't go on and on putting up with it. Well, this supporter won't. Even worse new, would be supporters certainly won't. Buster ( at KL ) and the BSPA ( in general ) have to get a grip on what they offer to people who pay to come in through the turnstiles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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