Trees Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 He's fit again simple as... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 No one really knows! Sadly that does appear to be the case! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 One thing is clear whatever Buster does will be wrong. If he sacks Holder and his form returns and the new averages show a much reduced figure (as it will do) Chris will be snapped up in seconds by other teams. And we will still have to replace him with a top rider and they don't grow on trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 I should have posted this here and not in another thread. Â Holder has upset a lot of fans because he was all smiles when he signed for King's Lynn - at a price / package he agreed with and then later belittles that which is on offer. Or was it just for a visa? To then have a loss of form from the off, makes some people believe that it is lack of interest or effort and IF that is the case it IS very disappointing. Human nature to see it that way for some of us. We are told he has off track problems but that is the same for anyone - to keep their job they need to perform as expected and not far below what they were signed for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynnboy Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Can't see holder going anywhere, just look who are team sponsors are and why are they sponsoring Kingslynn ? Because we signed Chris Holder if we sack Holder then we may be looking for a new team sponsor as well I should have posted this here and not in another thread. Â Holder has upset a lot of fans because he was all smiles when he signed for King's Lynn - at a price / package he agreed with and then later belittles that which is on offer. Or was it just for a visa? To then have a loss of form from the off, makes some people believe that it is lack of interest or effort and IF that is the case it IS very disappointing. Human nature to see it that way for some of us. We are told he has off track problems but that is the same for anyone - to keep their job they need to perform as expected and not far below what they were signed for. Holder has been as poor in Poland as he has in the uk and he did not look good in the GP think he needs to take his engines back to Peter Johns or get a new tuner ! Or maybe try a GTR ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Perhaps Nicklas should sell his GTRs to Holder He was saying how good they were a few weeks ago has he changed his mind after Somerset and wolves or is his loss if form something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynnboy Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Perhaps Nicklas should sell his GTRs to Holder He was saying how good they were a few weeks ago has he changed his mind after Somerset and wolves or is his loss if form something else Porsing seems to be riding the GTR alright in Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Ok, so how does it work then.  ....  Who the hell knows!?!?!? THIS! Logically you have to use what season averages or at the very least have a conversion between the leagues once riders get averages. But the BSPA hadn't thought this far ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Holder will get the push from Lynn due to poor form. KK gets the push from Poole soon after. Holder signs for Poole and his form picks up. Holders firm isn't just poor for King's lynn though. He was poor in the SGP and is hit and miss abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Or we'll make it work for us maybe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Personally I don't regret Rory moving on, I think he had become stale at Lynn at you always had the feeling that the next big smash was only just round the corner. Both he and Bjerre were old hat at Lynn and needed pastures new which seem to be working for them. Best for all parties that they moved on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Â Â Holders firm isn't just poor for King's lynn though. He was poor in the SGP and is hit and miss abroad. But had you still been running you would have been more than happy to take him, wouldn't you .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunce Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Missing NKI big time 100% but gotta get over it Chris must and will sort his gating out everywhere, it's not just for us. If we don't support him he'll never settle in, just imagine how he must feel about leaving a club that he's been with since his early days here, somewhere he thought he'd spend the rest of his career in the UK, somewhere he made his home, where his child was born and lives, just put yourself in his shoes. OK he's an Aussie, used to travelling but I think he has feelings, he's not a robot. Speedway is no ordinary 9-5 job, you can't fluke it or hide away til you are in a better place or pull a sickie or two. He's gotta tough it out, put things right, he deserves support doesn't he, he's a top rider, he'll sort it!! Â Totally agree Trees, I really feel for Chris, but unfortunately this is a ruthless sport, just how long do we wait for him to "settle in." I can understand moving tracks is unsettling, but the guy was a World Champion not so long ago and I think the fans expect more than they are getting at the moment. Several of the team are under performing, but to have your number one doing it, is a route to failure. I hope he shows us what he can really do, but just how long the fans and management can wait when other teams are surging ahead is the question? Â I hate getting on his case, because I admire him as a rider, and he has has gone through a lot recently, but in the grand scheme of things we all want what is best for our team and at the moment his performances are leading to a lot of frustration from the fans. What will happen next, is anybodys guess, but with memories of last seasons failed campaign fresh in my memory, I feel we need to sort this sooner, rather than later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Roll on the 10th so we can go again and hope for good performances and a win... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Ward Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Found it very interesting reading the last four pages of this thread as to the many ideas of improving the team. Many people seem to think that we should be replacing Josh and I'm afraid im in agreement with them even though I was one of those at the start of the season that said we should give him a chance. The only way the team can support a 2pointer is if you have a big hitter at number 1 which we are supposed to have so imo it's not Josh's fault he needs to be replaced its Chris Holders. Trouble is to replace Josh we also have to replace somebody else but does anybody else deserve to be bombed out at this early stage,personally I say no except for Chris but will he come good or can the club afford to get rid of him. Somebody suggested bringing in Ritchie Worrall and another rider with an average around 6/7 which if the club did make some changes this would be the way I would prefer them to go but if no changes were made I could also live with this and hope Chris comes good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Missing NKI big time 100% but gotta get over it Chris must and will sort his gating out everywhere, it's not just for us. If we don't support him he'll never settle in, just imagine how he must feel about leaving a club that he's been with since his early days here, somewhere he thought he'd spend the rest of his career in the UK, somewhere he made his home, where his child was born and lives, just put yourself in his shoes. OK he's an Aussie, used to travelling but I think he has feelings, he's not a robot. Speedway is no ordinary 9-5 job, you can't fluke it or hide away til you are in a better place or pull a sickie or two. He's gotta tough it out, put things right, he deserves support doesn't he, he's a top rider, he'll sort it!! Â Totally agree Trees, I really feel for Chris, but unfortunately this is a ruthless sport, just how long do we wait for him to "settle in." I can understand moving tracks is unsettling, but the guy was a World Champion not so long ago and I think the fans expect more than they are getting at the moment. Several of the team are under performing, but to have your number one doing it, is a route to failure. I hope he shows us what he can really do, but just how long the fans and management can wait when other teams are surging ahead is the question? Â I hate getting on his case, because I admire him as a rider, and he has has gone through a lot recently, but in the grand scheme of things we all want what is best for our team and at the moment his performances are leading to a lot of frustration from the fans. What will happen next, is anybodys guess, but with memories of last seasons failed campaign fresh in my memory, I feel we need to sort this sooner, rather than later. Â Missing NKI big time 100% but gotta get over it Chris must and will sort his gating out everywhere, it's not just for us. If we don't support him he'll never settle in, just imagine how he must feel about leaving a club that he's been with since his early days here, somewhere he thought he'd spend the rest of his career in the UK, somewhere he made his home, where his child was born and lives, just put yourself in his shoes. OK he's an Aussie, used to travelling but I think he has feelings, he's not a robot. Speedway is no ordinary 9-5 job, you can't fluke it or hide away til you are in a better place or pull a sickie or two. He's gotta tough it out, put things right, he deserves support doesn't he, he's a top rider, he'll sort it!! Â Somewhere where i think he'l be better off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Don't think that Holder has much to worry about at Lynn but he might have more worry about his form in Poland because they run a squad system Don't they?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Indeed they do operate a squad system in Poland and no one is immune from being dropped, if they fail to perform as expected. The loss of Super Dooper Pay nights over there might push Holder into giving it his all in the UK. If of course it is his state of mind and not his machinery that is his form problem. The mystery of loss of form is truly puzzling but as 90% of speedway is said to be psychological ( after reaching a decent level of technique ) perhaps a sports psychologist is more vital for riders in Holder's position than even some riders accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Holder was definitely trying on monday at wolves. In all of his heats he was in the mix. Id wait til the aves are out and bring in someone better at number 7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 superguest, on 03 May 2017 - 06:55 AM, said: Â Holder was definitely trying on monday at wolves. In all of his heats he was in the mix. Id wait til the aves are out and bring in someone better at number 7. Clearly you have a different opinion of "in the mix" than I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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