g13webb Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 I feel similar in that our league cannot afford the top riders, and as been said we are at the bottom of the pecting order. It is my belief capturing a top rider at No1 is a massive advantage to those who wish to go with a more uniform side. It is because of this I think the BSPA should have induce a rule that forbid teams to field SGP riders. That would have kept all teams on a level footing and that what is most important. teams being level.... Because we are reverting back to Pre 2013 race format, the Reserves don't have protected heat anymore, and the Heat Leaders have an easier job with races against lesser riders. For these reasons it will be more important to have a Doyle in your side capable of scoring 15 pts every week whereas lesser riders are 10 a penny and will take points off each other. You will find the reserves will be the far weakest in the team and their quality will be far less that the 2nd strings I just wished the BSPA had taken that decision about the top riders and not left it upto individual clubs.. We would probably have lost 5 or 6 riders tops, but the product would have been far more even when everyone would be in with a chance of winning.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 It seems to me that the Kings Lynn will end up with the riders that other clubs don't want. All the better riders seem to be signed by the other teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Promoters have been choosing to have top guys in their teams for years, dunno why anyone would want to now rule the few who have kept loyal to the UK/enjoy british racing out. Funny old lot of fans, soon as riders get good enough for the GPs, you're out, whether we can afford to employ you or not .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 (edited) As I understand team will be announced in one go at supporter meeting first week December. Date will be announced soon. From Nick Porsing's manager. I think Lynn will be ok.Mr.S1 Edited November 18, 2016 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 I feel similar in that our league cannot afford the top riders, and as been said we are at the bottom of the pecting order. It is my belief capturing a top rider at No1 is a massive advantage to those who wish to go with a more uniform side. It is because of this I think the BSPA should have induce a rule that forbid teams to field SGP riders. That would have kept all teams on a level footing and that what is most important. teams being level.... Because we are reverting back to Pre 2013 race format, the Reserves don't have protected heat anymore, and the Heat Leaders have an easier job with races against lesser riders. For these reasons it will be more important to have a Doyle in your side capable of scoring 15 pts every week whereas lesser riders are 10 a penny and will take points off each other. You will find the reserves will be the far weakest in the team and their quality will be far less that the 2nd strings I just wished the BSPA had taken that decision about the top riders and not left it upto individual clubs.. We would probably have lost 5 or 6 riders tops, but the product would have been far more even when everyone would be in with a chance of winning.... Can you imagine the situation that Lambert (Ellis, Bewley etc) goes on to achieve his potential, becomes a club legend but the BSPA bans him because he's in the SGP's? We can't close the door simply because of the SGP's, what we should do is close doors to riders that can't commit to at least 90% of fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Promoters have been choosing to have top guys in their teams for years, dunno why anyone would want to now rule the few who have kept loyal to the UK/enjoy british racing out. Funny old lot of fans, soon as riders get good enough for the GPs, you're out, whether we can afford to employ you or not .... it's not necessarily about someone being good enough for the GPs, it's to do with the money they will be asking. if a club can't afford to use someone asking for a lot of money, then they won't! I am not saying to ban GP riders, if some clubs want to use them and the averages that go with them, then that's fine, but don't then bleat when you go out of business 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 Can you imagine the situation that Lambert (Ellis, Bewley etc) goes on to achieve his potential, becomes a club legend but the BSPA bans him because he's in the SGP's? We can't close the door simply because of the SGP's, what we should do is close doors to riders that can't commit to at least 90% of fixtures. I agree.Just in the case of Lambo for example.Been with Lynn(if he his next year and beyond) from a kid,finds himself in the GP's in 3 years at 21.Can't ride in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 @klspeedway We are aware some clubs are announcing riders but we are awaiting decisions from some riders - although some are agreed. Watch this space! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 Can you imagine the situation that Lambert (Ellis, Bewley etc) goes on to achieve his potential, becomes a club legend but the BSPA bans him because he's in the SGP's? We can't close the door simply because of the SGP's, what we should do is close doors to riders that can't commit to at least 90% of fixtures. You're missing the point here !! British Speedway is all about survival. its not about riders who want to ride, its about clubs being able to afford them. We cant have a rule where Club A and afford the best riders competing against Club B who have little finance. We want to have equal teams all with a chance of winning...... It is wrong that our sport is blackmailed, having a few top riders wanting to race when most of them don't give a damn.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 You're missing the point here !! British Speedway is all about survival. its not about riders who want to ride, its about clubs being able to afford them. We cant have a rule where Club A and afford the best riders competing against Club B who have little finance. We want to have equal teams all with a chance of winning...... It is wrong that our sport is blackmailed, having a few top riders wanting to race when most of them don't give a damn.... But surely thats what the point limit is there for. Bsck in the 80s I remember the points limit being 50 at one point, then the rich boys really did hoover up the talent - 83 Cradley the strongest team of the era, the 83 eastborne/swindon teams were appalling. The sport isn't being blackmailed. Clubs have the option to say no. But they may also figure it makes financial sense to have big names and get extra through the gate. And the likes of holder and Fred have been good servants of British speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 On a slightly different note would a change to first race at 7-30 help to attract more fans along to each meeting ? I'm thinking school children and fans who start work early the next day -some of the meeting have dragged on some weeks 10pm Finnish some weeks I feel a 7-30 start may help to get more fans attending . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 So we can cross off Danny King and Bjerre as possibilities, they have signed for Coventry ...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 I think getting on with things would be better than an earlier start. Makes you wonder if King and Bjerre not being part of the plans means Holder may be.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedball Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 I think getting on with things would be better than an earlier start. Makes you wonder if King and Bjerre not being part of the plans means Holder may be.... That's my thinking as well. No way could we fit Iversen, King & Lambert in the same side without being stupidly weak elsewhere. Reckon that means a top three of Iversen/Holder, Lambert & Batchelor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 I think getting on with things would be better than an earlier start. Makes you wonder if King and Bjerre not being part of the plans means Holder may be.... Agree the delays often ruin the night, especially when it is freezing: With riders at the start mucking about: A false start should have a 1 min to start time put on straight away The gates to the pits should not be opened and mechanics not allowed to come out to refuel the bike etc Gaps between races should be reduced Put on a second half if fans want to stay longer, this would help youngsters etc. Apart from fence or airbag renewal or rider injury a 15 heat meeting should only take about 90 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 Wednesday it is then Danny King done deal Wednesday it is then Danny King done deal I think you need a different source 😉 Signed but For Coventry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 I think you need a different source Signed but For Coventry.lets just wait and see who owns his contract shall we Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 Let's not into the game of one-upmanship on here ..... zzzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 (edited) lets just wait and see who owns his contract shall weYou said he had signed for King's Lynn next year. It doesn't matter who owes his contract, a rider will ride where he likes. Look at Harris http://www.coventrybees.co/news.php?extend.3787 Edited November 19, 2016 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 lets just wait and see who owns his contract shall we That's irrelevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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