Jonny the spud Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Adam Ellis rides grasstrack on Sundays . he's done two grass tracks in the last 6 years ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 I can fully understand that viewpoint, and no doubt many others would always want to be in the top division. I personally think speedway in GB can't be looked upon as having a top division which everyone aspires to, simply because the differences are so vast which negates the logical promotion/relegation scenario. Due to the structure of speedway as a team sport (eg rebuilding teams each season/guests/rr etc) I don't think you can make the comparison with football/cricket/rugby etc as they all have settled squads and in your example Man Utd & Chelsea would deem it as a failure even if the football was better. My big issue with the whole debate on what is better Elite or Premier, which gives better racing, who has the bigger names (Elite supposedly) is that I see the Elite league as a glorified premier League, or the Premier League is a watered down Elite - How many times this season has an Elite match contained a minimum of 8 riders who have regular team places in Premier league, often more! IMO for the sport to have credibility in its divisional structure teams should be of a strength which means only the top Premier riders ( and I mean a handful) are deemed worthy of having a place in an Elite team. Then you would say elite contained best teams and riders! I fear I will be dreaming for a long time. However, everyone will have their own views and the debate will linger on Unless the guys get rides abroad of course they want to keep their PL rides and pay, makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 he's done two grass tracks in the last 6 years ! Prolific grass tracker then....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 His last injury was at the showground when he attempted to go around the outside of Holub who went from mid track to the outside taking Newman out on the last bend . Holub got away with it but IMO he should have been excluded. He didn't get away with it, HOLUB was excluded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Prolific grass tracker then....... as much as i've posted in the past about signing ellis i wouldn't be in a rush to sign him now off a near a 8pt average , it's most likely he'd ride at no1 looking at the riders panthers are most likely to sign 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Ulrich, Lambo, L Bjerre, Hansen, Ash Morris, 3 pointer. What points would we have left for the final rider if we stick to 42.5 limit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Prolific grass tracker then....... just re reading that, it's actually two in 5 years, I mis typed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Ulrich 7.23, Lambo 5.25, L Bjerre 6.65, Hansen 6.75, Ash Morris 4.37, 3 pointer. What points would we have left for the final rider if we stick to 42.5 limit ? Would leave 9.25. just re reading that, it's actually two in 5 years, I mis typed Well that changes everything then..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted October 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) Wells 7.71 Kurtz 5.76 Hansen 6.75 Lasse 6.65 Holder 7.16 Wajknecht 3.00 Lambert 5.25 42.19 That would be awesome to watch at home, but can see Ully in the side Will Ostergaard and Lambert add a point to their averages? Not for me. Lambert at reserve for the season would be ok though if we were to keep one of them. Could Ellis come in on his 4.57 pl average? Wajknecht for Mountain and Wells for Bellego and that's some side for the showground in particular. Edited October 8, 2016 by Flappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Will Ostergaard and Lambert and a point to their averages? Not for me. Lambert at reserve for the season would be ok though if we were to keep one of them. Could Ellis come in on his 4.57 pl average? Wajknecht for Mountain and Wells for Bellego and that's sone side for the showground in particular. They wont, but realistically wont be anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted October 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 They wont, but realistically wont be anywhere else. So how can the team improve? Lambert has been around a long while now and is still a PL reserve/second string and Ostergaard is on the decline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 So how can the team improve? Lambert has been around a long while now and is still a PL reserve/second string and Ostergaard is on the decline Because you have to be realistic who will actually be here. No team has all 7 riders who improve, someone always has an average season. If Ully/Lambert maintain there average, and if the other 5 improve, your onto a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted October 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Because you have to be realistic who will actually be here. No team has all 7 riders who improve, someone always has an average season. If Ully/Lambert maintain there average, and if the other 5 improve, your onto a winner. But Ostergaard's supposed to he a heat leader. There's much better around on similar averages. Holder in particular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 But Ostergaard's supposed to he a heat leader. There's much better around on similar averages. Holder in particular Bellego 7.63 Kurtz 5.76 Hansen 6.75 Lasse 6.65 Holder 7.16 Mountain 3.00 Lambert 5.25 42.19 That would be awesome to watch at home, but can see Ully in the side I agree..... Holder would be better, hence my last team put on was this..... but being a realist, and it not being a fantasy league, Ully being sponsored by Ged, wont be anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted October 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 I agree..... Holder would be better, hence my last team put on was this..... but being a realist, and it not being a fantasy league, Ully being sponsored by Ged, wont be anywhere else. Tough decisions may need to be made then for the team to succeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) They wont, but realistically wont be anywhere else. think it will be a case of what you know next season , lambert won't be anywhere else next season (i'd build the side with him at reserve ) hansen and baby bjerre can beat anybody round showground , oystercard can't see him being anywhere else + he's a asset of geds . stick in a 3pt rider , so thats 5 , surely somebody is gonna offer batchelor the chance to d-up with poole (if he hasn't got a Polish gig surely panthers will be on the case ) leaving whats ever left for another rider Edited October 8, 2016 by hans fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted October 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 Ostergaard 7.23 2 Newman 6.31 3 Hansen 6.75 4 L.Bjerre 6.56 5 Holder 7.16 6 Lambert 5.25 7 Wajknecht 3.00 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 Ostergaard 7.23 2 Newman 6.31 3 Hansen 6.75 4 L.Bjerre 6.56 5 Holder 7.16 6 Lambert 5.25 7 Wajknecht 3.00 Good side, especially them riders at 1+6 who you didn't want...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted October 8, 2016 Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 He didn't get away with it, HOLUB was excluded Yes you are correct , thanks for that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted October 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2016 Good side, especially them riders at 1+6 who you didn't want...... Looks like I have no other choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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