jenga Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 okay . i mean with ully a nd simon . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted September 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Are you putting up money for sponsorships then as without these highly valued contributors there would be no speedway. So we give team places out for contributions off the track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 The premier league should be open to all riders. No need to limit who can ride where. All brits in particular should he able to ride So then we can pencil in Lambert and Ostergaard due to relationships and sponsorships? We must do what's best for the team on the track totally disagree.As the 2nd tier in British Speedway the PL should be about building a platform for emerging British riders to progress. Filling it with ageing foreign former EL riders will just inhibit that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted September 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 totally disagree. As the 2nd tier in British Speedway the PL should be about building a platform for emerging British riders to progress. Filling it with ageing foreign former EL riders will just inhibit that. It also has to be the best product on show you possibly can. By limiting the riders who can ride in particular the brits we end up watching National league wobblers off the pace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 The Ellis debate is strange in the fact that his 7-8pt average is understandable with his absence from the PL and his rise in scoring potential but then theres the fact riders such as Woffinden and Lindback return to the EL whilst being away for roughly the same period on there last average achieved in that league whilst both being GP regulars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 The Ellis debate is strange in the fact that his 7-8pt average is understandable with his absence from the PL and his rise in scoring potential but then theres the fact riders such as Woffinden and Lindback return to the EL whilst being away for roughly the same period on there last average achieved in that league whilst both being GP regulars. Ellis hasn't been missing from British Speedway thought and has an average, it's EL 5.60 which converts to PL 7.8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Ellis hasn't been missing from British Speedway thought and has an average, it's EL 5.60 which converts to PL 7.8But he has a PL average from only 2/3 years ago, Seb Alden came back on his old average but it was 'assessed' so wouldn't Adam just have his 4.?? PL average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 But he has a PL average from only 2/3 years ago, Seb Alden came back on his old average but it was 'assessed' so wouldn't Adam just have his 4.?? PL average?but he hasnt been away from British Speedway like Alden was...Under current rules has to be converted EL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 but he hasnt been away from British Speedway like Alden was... Under current rules has to be converted EL Fair play, 4 isn't where he is at anyways really, I would say he is more around 6/7 but to be fair he is getting beat in the NL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 So we give team places out for contributions off the track? If it's the difference speedway or no speedway yes , unless you have a better idea. I see both the riders mentioned by you worthy of a team place , I havn't a problem with them regardless of contributions and would be quite happy for them to be in the team for 2017. As I understand it from someone very influential no deals or decisions have been made to any riders at the moment until BSPA meeting discussions and format have been formulated ,but if you want to have your say there will be a forum coming up in the next few weeks in front of full management team where you will be able to ask any questions or points you want to make , if you feel so strongly about it I would suggest you should attend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted October 1, 2016 Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 If it's the difference speedway or no speedway yes , unless you have a better idea. I see both the riders mentioned by you worthy of a team place , I havn't a problem with them regardless of contributions and would be quite happy for them to be in the team for 2017. As I understand it from someone very influential no deals or decisions have been made to any riders at the moment until BSPA meeting discussions and format have been formulated ,but if you want to have your say there will be a forum coming up in the next few weeks in front of full management team where you will be able to ask any questions or points you want to make , if you feel so strongly about it I would suggest you should attend.Agreed - Ully & Simon may not be as prolific or as consistent as many wish but them and their associates bring more to the club then just points. They love the club & are reliable so would have no issues if they were to return next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted October 1, 2016 Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 okay . i mean with ully a nd simon . Well as you can see those views expressed by Flappy are not my views and hopefully not the views of the majority of Panthers fans. I'm quite sure if Ged released those two riders they would have little trouble getting fixed up elsewhere . I'm all for making changes if a rider is struggling and sometimes it's best for both parties when this happens but I don't believe in making changes just for change sake , very unsettling for riders to know that's the situation there coming into and also gives a bad impression of the club as a whole. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted October 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 So because we're being nice we are going to have Lambert coming back from a very serious injury on a 5.25 and Ostergaard 7.23 after dropping a point from his average after going missing in action when the team needed him most. It's really time to kick move forward both on and off the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 1, 2016 Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 It also has to be the best product on show you possibly can. By limiting the riders who can ride in particular the brits we end up watching National league wobblers off the paceagain disagree. The league structure should be set and the teams that enter mould around that not the teams that enter mould the league. There needs to be a more long term view.Its not just about who wins the league this year or next. Where have I said restrict the Brits?? Quite the opposite in fact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted October 1, 2016 Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 So because we're being nice we are going to have Lambert coming back from a very serious injury on a 5.25 and Ostergaard 7.23 after dropping a point from his average after going missing in action when the team needed him most. It's really time to kick move forward both on and off the track. Like I said there's a forum coming taking place in the next few weeks in front of full management team , i suggest you attend and put your viewpoint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted October 1, 2016 Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 It also has to be the best product on show you possibly can. By limiting the riders who can ride in particular the brits we end up watching National league wobblers off the pace Just like to point out to you that those you are calling national league wobblers are the future of British speedway and deserve to have the chance to progress personally I would like to see all premier league clubs having to include at #6 and #7 3 point national league riders of British nationality. I seem to remember in the early days of British league div 2 in the 70's most clubs were at least blooding one and maybe two youngsters with little or no experience of the leagues set ups and only been riding in second halves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted October 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 Like I said there's a forum coming taking place in the next few weeks in front of full management team , i suggest you attend and put your viewpoint Yep I see no reason why not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 1, 2016 Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 pretty disrespectful to call NL riders 'wobblers', everyone starts somewhere and deserve a chance to progress 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted October 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 (edited) Just like to point out to you that those you are calling national league wobblers are the future of British speedway and deserve to have the chance to progress personally I would like to see all premier league clubs having to include at #6 and #7 3 point national league riders of British nationality. I seem to remember in the early days of British league div 2 in the 70's most clubs were at least blooding one and maybe two youngsters with little or no experience of the leagues set ups and only been riding in second halves.But then you can't expect people to pay £15 for that privilege as it clearly cheapens the product in quality. Personally would prefer 2 big leagues with promotion with the same rules and team building limits with an inter league knockout cup. Keep the national League as the development league for brits only pretty disrespectful to call NL riders 'wobblers', everyone starts somewhere and deserve a chance to progressMaybe it is to some riders, but we've seen many this season well off the pace when stepping up Edited October 1, 2016 by Flappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 1, 2016 Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 And weve also seen Ayres Bewley Hume and others do very nicely and Perry Morley Williamson Carr given a chance again that they were unlikely to have gotten without the new No7 rule. All have shown we dont need the Konopkas Holubs etc filling reseve berths.... 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.