foamfence Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 I really hope BSI won't hand the Wild card to Harris next season. He's totally cr*p and also is a threat to the health of other riders. No he isn't, all the experts agreed that it wasn't his fault. It was actually Lindgren who lifted. Yet again the Speedway World Champion won't be the best rider in the world but simply just lucky. So sad. That's what sport is about, it's a contest, not a ranking list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Harris is still cr*p even in challenge so he shouldn't be placed among the best. People often refer to World Champions as "best in the world" and that makes it contest. If someone will call Hancock best in the world will be a lier. It's just like it was when Woffinden got his first SGP title only because dominating in that year Saifutdinov got injured. It's only the best in the World in any given year, they're all great riders ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Harris is still cr*p even in challenge so he shouldn't be placed among the best. People often refer to World Champions as "best in the world" and that makes it contest. If someone will call Hancock best in the world will be a lier. It's just like it was when Woffinden got his first SGP title only because dominating in that year Saifutdinov got injured. That's why it's a contest, they take their chance and accept the risks. Hancock's record is second to none. Harris isn't a top competitor but he did qualify and he isn't any where near as dangerous as some others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 He didn't qualify for next year and I meant he didn't qualify or even deserved a wild card for 2017. Bollocks. You say that if Hancock will win SGP its because he's best in the world this year? No. He wins it because of being lucky that Bomber injured Doyle. Doyle was 1st in the table before this event and won 4 SGP events this year. He is the best in the world 2016. He hasn't got a wildcard for 2017 and isn't expecting one. The injury to Doyle was accepted as an accident by far more qualified observers than you or I. Hancock was still in with a chance of being World Champion whether Doyle had or hadn't been injured, you never know how things would have gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 My first post was about me HAVING HOPE that Harris WILL NOT get the wildcard and it took 3 posts for you to finally post the same.... And please lol What competition has Hancock now? He is 19 points above the next one keeping in mind Doyle doesn't get any more points in the last event. Doyle was better rider this year and you can clearly see that by comparing his results with Hancock's. Yankee simply didn't deserve to become a World Champion or deserved to become that less than Doyle. Hope the title will taste bitter for him. I don't 'hope' that Harris doesn't get a wildcard, the fact is that he wont get one and has already started plans to move in other directions, so I haven't agreed with you. As for Hancock/Doyle, you seem to be governed by wishful thinking, personally I'm not bothered who actually wins the title (it will be Hancock) because I accept that there are risks, confidence swings and various track conditions, it's nothing to do with who ranks top and it never will be, otherwise it would be boringly predictable. I'll let your bottom have the last word, if it must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Yet again the Speedway World Champion won't be the best rider in the world but simply just lucky. So sad. You have such a warped outlook on life. Whilst I feel sorry for Doyle getting injured like he did, you can't take anything away from Hancock in winning the World Championship. He has been there or there abouts all year. this competition is not a sprint and the winner is the person who acquires the most point. World class riders like Woffy, Holder and the rest have struggled to keep with Hancock, and only a late surge from Doyle has delayed the finish of the championship. Doyle has time on his side and he will come again. Only last year he was an accident waiting to happen and was involved in more crashing than anyone. But he learnt from it and this year he has been a far more consistent finisher scoring plenty of points. I believe in fate and probably it was right that Greg should win this World Title one last time as a thank you for being the great ambassador to our sport...... Make no mistake Doyle will come back stronger than ever... Congratulation to Niels on a wonderful win..... He needed that.... Edited October 2, 2016 by GRW123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 He didn't qualify for next year and I meant he didn't qualify or even deserved a wild card for 2017. Bollocks. You say that if Hancock will win SGP its because he's best in the world this year? No. He wins it because of being lucky that Bomber injured Doyle. Doyle was 1st in the table before this event and won 4 SGP events this year. He is the best in the world 2016. Luck is all part of the it .... every World Champion has good luck ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wolfhound Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Greg Hancock, should he win it, lucky? Sorry I can't agree! Ivan Mauger, in that case, could also be called lucky for some of his 6 wins were 'given' to him by accidents, re-runs and false starts. The answer in Hancock's case and Mauger's simply is this - Consistency! The GP's encourage this whereas the 'one-off' finals were all about 'on the night'! Hancock is a master of consistency, not winning many GP's but when the business end comes around, he is always there or thereabouts. Jason Doyle had peaked at exactly the right time and looked a 'cert' to lift the trophy but in speedway the oddest things can change a situation and Doyle unfortunately was a victim this time and Hancock is the beneficiary but not of luck but of his consistent form. Turning to the next GP in Melbourne who out of Lindgren, Lindback, NKI and Zagar will take the 8th and final spot for 2017. Only 3 points separate them, so 3 of the 4 are going to be disappointed.... and that after going halfway round the world to find out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Greg Hancock, should he win it, lucky? Sorry I can't agree! Ivan Mauger, in that case, could also be called lucky for some of his 6 wins were 'given' to him by accidents, re-runs and false starts. The answer in Hancock's case and Mauger's simply is this - Consistency! The GP's encourage this whereas the 'one-off' finals were all about 'on the night'! Hancock is a master of consistency, not winning many GP's but when the business end comes around, he is always there or thereabouts. Jason Doyle had peaked at exactly the right time and looked a 'cert' to lift the trophy but in speedway the oddest things can change a situation and Doyle unfortunately was a victim this time and Hancock is the beneficiary but not of luck but of his consistent form. Turning to the next GP in Melbourne who out of Lindgren, Lindback, NKI and Zagar will take the 8th and final spot for 2017. Only 3 points separate them, so 3 of the 4 are going to be disappointed.... and that after going halfway round the world to find out! So luck never comes into staying fit for the whole season then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Who came up with the air fence Idea . possibly a good idea , but not properly tested before it was forced into use . maybe since its not fit for purpose some sort of claim could be taken out against the supplier THEY were properly tested, and have to comply with strict regulations, some of which are copied from F1. There is actually no perfect solution to speedway crashes although, as previously stated, new air-fences, taller and wider, are now coming into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Tr3mm0r Why are you bothered? You have said so many timez, the BSI GP is rubbish, and only the Extra League is important and GP is start-ride-finish boring etc. Now suddenly you are all upset and ranting because Doyle has lost out? You are not interested because only Extra League is important. You have said it loads of times on here so why care? Also it was not Harris fault Doyle crashed. It was clear it was Lindgren who caused the accident. Harris was a victim the same as Doyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Unfortunately its looks like the final round in this years SGP will be a bit of an anti-climax as with Doyle injuries it will mean a clear run for Hancock to the World title which is a real shame as it was all boiling up to be a shoot out between him and Doyle. Hopefully Doyle will make a full recovery and be ready for another go at becoming World Champ next year as this year he has proved to everyone he has what it takes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Is it not the airfence lifting that is the issue but what it's resting on? Crash was Lindgren's fault... he's been riding around like a headless chicken all year! People talk about "racing room" but with him it no longer applies. Edited October 2, 2016 by 2ndbendbeerhut 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) No. He wins it because of being lucky that Bomber injured Doyle. Doyle was 1st in the table before this event and won 4 SGP events this year. He is the best in the world 2016. What are you talking about? Lindgren lifting was the cause of the accident - Harris was as innocent a passenger as Doyle. A racing accident, but one caused by Lindgren, not Bomber. Lindgren has been riding like a madman all year long. Take your blinkers off. And Bomber isn't going to get a wildcard for next year - we all realise that. But I'll miss him in the GPs - a 100% trier and a fair competitor. All the best Rob Edited October 2, 2016 by lucifer sam 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Is it not the airfence lifting that is the issue but what it's resting on? Crash was Lindgren's fault... he's been riding around like a headless chicken all year! People talk about "racing room" but with him it no longer applies. Something that Tai Woffinden hinted at during his interview last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Tr3mm0r You talk as though this is the only time a rider has lost out on the World Championship because of injury and another rider is fortunate enough to cash in on that. It's happened many years in the past, going back I would say to 1937, when Bluey Wilkinson missed out on qualifying for the final because of injury. In fact, go back two years earlier to 1935 when Tom Farndon was red hot favourite to win the Star Riders' Championship (the equivalent of the World Championship then). The night before the final he was killed in a track crash at New Cross. Sadly,it is part of speedway, a very unfortunate part maybe, but these things happen, always have and always will. Edited October 2, 2016 by norbold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 I do care only because of what I said earlier about people interchanging GP Winner or World Champion with "Best rider in the world". I don't like Hancock because he's a typical "stranieri" that will suck any club dry with no sentiments (just like how he did with Unia Tarnów not so long ago) and now I will have too look at his treacherous and fake grin while listening how he supposedly is the best rider in the world. Yuck! You really need to get out more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 My first post was about me HAVING HOPE that Harris WILL NOT get the wildcard and it took 3 posts for you to finally post the same.... And please lol What competition has Hancock now? He is 19 points above the next one keeping in mind Doyle doesn't get any more points in the last event. Doyle was better rider this year and you can clearly see that by comparing his results with Hancock's. Yankee simply didn't deserve to become a World Champion or deserved to become that less than Doyle. Hope the title will taste bitter for him. World Champion 2016 - Greg Hancock Best rider in the world 2016 - Jason Doyle youve changed your tune, all season youve been posting that "Drugcheat" Dudek is the best rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) Tr3mm0r You talk as though this is the only time a rider has lost out on the World Championship because of injury and another rider is fortunate enough to cash in on that. It's happened many years in the past, going back I would say to 1937, when Bluey Wilkinson missed out on qualifying for the final because of injury. In fact, go back two years earlier to 1935 when Tom Farndon was red hot favourite to win the Star Riders' Championship (the equivalent of the World Championship then). The night before the final he was killed in a track crash at New Cross. Sadly,it is part of speedway, a very unfortunate part maybe, but these things happen, always have and always will. Don't forget Max Grosskreutz. The form man in 1936, until he was injured. He lent his bike to Wilkinson for the final, and Bluey flew to a 15-point-maximum on it. But, as you say, these things have happened since speedway began. Unfortunate, but they happen. All the best Rob Edited October 2, 2016 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 I do care only because of what I said earlier about people interchanging GP Winner or World Champion with "Best rider in the world". I don't like Hancock because he's a typical "stranieri" that will suck any club dry with no sentiments (just like how he did with Unia Tarnów not so long ago) and now I will have too look at his treacherous and fake grin while listening how he supposedly is the best rider in the world. Yuck! But you like Doyle . hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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