Triple.H. Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 You do realise that referees are paid? They don't give up their spare time and their holidays from work. They get paid for it. Plenty of volunteers in this sport do give up their spare time and holidays. But referees are paid. Of course they use holidays etc to enable them to referee matches The pay which is most probably not very good doesn't even come into the equation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 You do realise that referees are paid? They don't give up their spare time and their holidays from work. They get paid for it. Plenty of volunteers in this sport do give up their spare time and holidays. But referees are paid. I'm fully aware that speedway referees receive a fee for each match they officiate but they won't make a living from them let alone a fortune! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 Of course they use holidays etc to enable them to referee matches The pay which is most probably not very good doesn't even come into the equation Depends on there job and what refs get paid ...I sure a lot of people could fit in being a ref without having to take time of work ...a couple of nights work as a ref on top of your wages might work out ok . plus I sure there might odd extra payment from the likes of Matt Ford etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 Why anybody would want to be a referee in any sport is beyond me. Makes them an abuse magnet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 Who yer gunna call ? Harry and Mick?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmas Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 How Much do refs get paid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Depends on there job and what refs get paid ...I sure a lot of people could fit in being a ref without having to take time of work ...a couple of nights work as a ref on top of your wages might work out ok . plus I sure there might odd extra payment from the likes of Matt Ford etc Its honestly not that much - its a small fee for the ref duty itself and a very average pence per mile travel rate, and by no means door to door. You're allocated to a particular zone, and you're expected to be able to able to cover any meeting, at pretty much any notice in that zone. Anyway, I'm tired and nearly finished work, so i dont really have time to tell you about the story of the ref, the half naked forum member, the promoter, and the manager in a special place in Bydgoszcz. Anyway, back to Matt Ford - he's a good guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Should they or do the scb encourage ex riders into refereeing. Surely they are best qualified to see it from a riders point of view? Good idea but how many of the riders would actually do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 If refs want more respect from the riders and fans they shouldnt be so bloody stupid at times. Some of the decisions theyve made down the years have been bonkers and makes me wonder if they were in the toilet whilst the incidents took place. A few stick out, Frede Schott completely dumping Three other riders into the Newport first bend fence in a KO cup tie in 2002/3 ish, everyone even Edinburgh fans said he had to go but was invited back, where he went onto win the heat and secure a re-run of the tie as the scores on agg were level. Kim nilsson going under Makovsky or rymel at newport on the third turn, didnt get close to touching the berwick rider and the berwick rider laid it down and nilsson got excluded. Theres been loads more that some others may name but they deserve all the stick they get as far as im concerned with their ludicrous decisions. As for Bryn going on about the ref having to deal with deaths, give it a rest. Think how another rider involved would feel, or the riders family and friends? Or the promoter, manager and team mates feel. Or the fans it happened right in front of. Lets be honest i bet half the time the ref would miss the incident anyway as they dont appear to be watching the same races as us fans half the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 If refs want more respect from the riders and fans they shouldnt be so bloody stupid at times. Some of the decisions theyve made down the years have been bonkers and makes me wonder if they were in the toilet whilst the incidents took place. A few stick out, Frede Schott completely dumping Three other riders into the Newport first bend fence in a KO cup tie in 2002/3 ish, everyone even Edinburgh fans said he had to go but was invited back, where he went onto win the heat and secure a re-run of the tie as the scores on agg were level. Kim nilsson going under Makovsky or rymel at newport on the third turn, didnt get close to touching the berwick rider and the berwick rider laid it down and nilsson got excluded. Theres been loads more that some others may name but they deserve all the stick they get as far as im concerned with their ludicrous decisions. As for Bryn going on about the ref having to deal with deaths, give it a rest. Think how another rider involved would feel, or the riders family and friends? Or the promoter, manager and team mates feel. Or the fans it happened right in front of. Lets be honest i bet half the time the ref would miss the incident anyway as they dont appear to be watching the same races as us fans half the time. I know exactly how people would feel in circumstances you describe in your last paragraph Pinny having witnessed some tragic fatal on-track crashes in the years I have followed/been involved in the sport and being called upon to give evidence at a rider's inquest in one case. I don't want to see any more such crashes nor have to give such evidence again thank you very much! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 You do realise that referees are paid? They don't give up their spare time and their holidays from work. They get paid for it. Plenty of volunteers in this sport do give up their spare time and holidays. But referees are paid. Are you serious, paid, I used to get more an hour than they get for a match, the pay is ridiculous. A referee friend of mine says he just about covers his petrol money with his fee and expenses, never mind he can spend a whole day travelling to and from a match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Are you serious, paid, I used to get more an hour than they get for a match, the pay is ridiculous. A referee friend of mine says he just about covers his petrol money with his fee and expenses, never mind he can spend a whole day travelling to and from a match. So why the hell does he do it then?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Perhaps they ought to firstly, to give themselves a bit of breathing space, increase the age of compulsory retirement by 2-3 yrs, voluntary of course. Then they need to advertise for some trainees from the speedway fraternity.. you know, clerks of courses, time keepers, pit marshals, machine examiners, track staff first, then open it up to fans themselves if still in a quandary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Perhaps they ought to firstly, to give themselves a bit of breathing space, increase the age of compulsory retirement by 2-3 yrs, voluntary of course. Then they need to advertise for some trainees from the speedway fraternity.. you know, clerks of courses, time keepers, pit marshals, machine examiners, track staff first, then open it up to fans themselves if still in a quandary... Fans are all talk mate. But i agree with the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 (edited) So why the hell does he do it then?!Believe it or not some people actually love the sport and enjoy being involved. The Incident Recorder, Clerk of the Course, Pit Marshall, Machine Examiners, Pit Crew , Start Marshall, and Track Marshalls are almost always volunteers . You get the best and the worst of people in Speedwáy. Unfortunately the worst are a small minority that cause a lot of trouble for the rest. Edited September 12, 2016 by Daytripper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Ore Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 If refs want more respect from the riders and fans they shouldnt be so bloody stupid at times. Some of the decisions theyve made down the years have been bonkers and makes me wonder if they were in the toilet whilst the incidents took place..I am certainly no fan of referees, having been sent off for blatant honesty during my footballing career for telling one what he actually was, but in speedway the fans can more often than not be the problem, with their designer label blinkers. Seemingly you have a Newport bent, where, on numerous ocasions I have witnessed correct decisons go against them, only to see the "fans" have a go at the ref. On one occasion an opposition rider was so blatantly put into the fence on the second bend that even the most biased of fans would have accepted the inevitable decision. No. When tne home exclusion light was put on a large percentage of the crowd jeered and one obese arsehole was cheered as he made his way round from the back straight, to stick two fingers up at the ref's box. How very adult. Couldn't accuse that fan of being in the toilet though, with the size of his gut I doubt he had ever used one, yet the ref was weakly insulted for getting it right. Referees do get it wrong but in the opinions of most fans any decision is wrong which goes against their team. Check the guy with the spreading arms at the tapes at Rye, the swaggering old biddy at The Abbey or the "formerly the guy with the horn" at Lakeside and I don't even mean marginal decisons where they go off on one. We can all recall "unjust" decisions against our own team but unjust and incorrect are quite different. It is also very noticeable that when a female referee makes a call against their team many on here resort to sexist crap rather than admit the ref got it right. Just to say not all was bad at Newport I recall one match where they had a brilliant young Aussie announcer and a female referee, where his patter with anti female ref commentary was brilliant and I would suggest recognition of the bias from the terraces rather than a dig at the official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Are refs allowed to ref their fave team ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 Are refs allowed to ref their fave team ?Jim McGregor get's to do it most weeks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackadder Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 In last week's SS:- Interviews for new Referees to take place on Friday March 3rd 2017 at the Marriott Hotel, Liverpool, during the Referees' annual meeting weekend. Anyone interested should send their CV to info@scbgb.co.uk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmon Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 (edited) Now that Messrs Reeve and Steele have been elovated surely they cannot retain referee status. Edited October 14, 2016 by edmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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