hyabb17 Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 (edited) If we manage to run BV close on Wednesday then BV may avoid us. When we won there earlier in the season we were without Doyle, granted it was BV's first home meeting but I don't think much has changed since. Swindon & BV have had close meeting so far, would they risk that. Don't forget the underdog has its day 😃 Scores have been as follows: BV - 40, Swindon - 50 Swindon - 51, BV - 40 Swindon - 33, BV - 39 (stopped after heat 12) BV - ?, Swindon - ? So BV to pick us then, if Swindon make it? Swindon and Wolves better there than us? Edited September 12, 2016 by hyabb17 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I hope you do pick Wolves!!! If we got Wolves it will be tough as they are in form especially Thorsell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I think we shall be doing our best to deny Swindon any points, which won't be easy with Doyle and Tungate, in the hope that we can pick Lakeside in the semi. That's not to decry the Hammers but we can do OK there and they may not fare so well at the NSS. Tonight, Poole relied very much on Holder, who was brilliant and guest, Tungate, who scored many more than Andersen would likely have done. Otherwise they were not overly impressive. The Aces were solid throughout. Fricke would have scored more than Hougaard and Zagar is unlikely to only score 4 again, so we have nothing to fear in the play offs. That's not to say we shall win but we should be able to give anyone a run for their money. Another good meeting at the NSS, not the best meeting we've had but still excellent entertainment. This is the first season for many years where I am eagerly anticipating every home meeting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 If we got Wolves it will be tough as they are in form especially Thorsell.I guess it depends if they pick who they are most likely to beat or if the riders choose the away track they prefer. For example, Fricke, Scott and Cook struggled at Poole on their last visit. I could see BV riders wanting to go to Wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I guess it depends if they pick who they are most likely to beat or if the riders choose the away track they prefer. For example, Fricke, Scott and Cook struggled at Poole on their last visit. I could see BV riders wanting to go to Wolves. Nicholls was good when he guested for us there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 What a teriffic, exciting meeting. Belle Vue's big strength is depth tbh - they have no outstanding riders this season but every single rider can produce the goods. Holder the star of the night for me, he absolutely loves that track. Buz has been Ford's big mistake this season, which is ironic given the shananigans about him not being on the HL list. Poole are erratic but have an immense never say die attitude and real talent that is going to make them tough in the playoffs. Not too shabby crowd, considering it is a BIG stadium. Again, a great advert for speedway imo, really really enjoyed that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 That is true, Hougaard is ok but not Fricke, Jacobs rode well tonight but he is a different rider away from home. Belle Vue certainly have some home advantage. They could pick Wolves hopefully! Jacobs at Poole won't score unless its gifted. Great meeting and top of the league happy days. Fricke was a big miss for BV if he would of rode it would of been 10 point win. Also Tungate was much better than hans, put him in tonight and it would of been a hammering. Also cook tried a new engine in hear 15 with the result done, zagar didn't have his fuel on in heat 13 he was leading when his bike started to slow and would of won the heat imo, all in all I think Poole were lucky to get so close tonight. Zagar was third when he had an ef. Holder 4th. To think we were so close to winning this tonight. If that ef hadn't happened we would have won by a point. Considering three of our team struggled big time I can only assume they would get better on their next visit, if there is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Well that was there for the taking for Poole but for what ever reason they failed to take it. Zagar very poor and gifted Poole 3 points once when hitting the fence and another with the engine failure. But apparently according to the troll Kurtz engine failure cost them the meeting! What a strange little bubble that man lives in!!. Good job Ellis wasn't needed in the World Cup half a lap behind in a league meeting but apparently he is a racer and loves these big tracks! Newman was awful. It's ok being good on a poor track at Poole but his away scored could cost Poole. Tried to go between 2 riders them shut off very strange. Hougaard was awful and no replacement for Fricke at all as we all said......oops no the troll said it would make them stronger lol his speedway knowledge is so bad it's quite scary. Tungate massively strengthened the Pirates in place of Hans as again everyone said he would......oops except the troll again dear dear. Holder totally superb absolute masterclass. So the favourites only lost by 3 so at Poole you would expect them comfortably to win hence why they should win the league. Came Ellis and Newman be so poor again? Fricke will make Belle Vue stronger and surely Zagar must do better. Should be tight but Poole still should win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Well that was there for the taking for Poole but for what ever reason they failed to take it. Zagar very poor and gifted Poole 3 points once when hitting the fence and another with the engine failure. But apparently according to the troll Kurtz engine failure cost them the meeting! What a strange little bubble that man lives in!!. Good job Ellis wasn't needed in the World Cup half a lap behind in a league meeting but apparently he is a racer and loves these big tracks! Newman was awful. It's ok being good on a poor track at Poole but his away scored could cost Poole. Tried to go between 2 riders them shut off very strange. Hougaard was awful and no replacement for Fricke at all as we all said......oops no the troll said it would make them stronger lol his speedway knowledge is so bad it's quite scary. Tungate massively strengthened the Pirates in place of Hans as again everyone said he would......oops except the troll again dear dear. Holder totally superb absolute masterclass. So the favourites only lost by 3 so at Poole you would expect them comfortably to win hence why they should win the league. Came Ellis and Newman be so poor again? Fricke will make Belle Vue stronger and surely Zagar must do better. Should be tight but Poole still should win No, the troll on this thread has just arrived Gavan. Give it a rest, there's been amicable discussion for a number of pages about an excellent meeting, then you come along with your poison. Back to Belle Vue, if they beat Swindon then I think it's pretty obvious they will chose Lakeside (if Lakeside get through), but if Swindon progress then I also think they will pick Wolves. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I have had nothing to say but praise for everyone involved in the BV project, what more do you want a new stadia and track to pull it off in this day and age is an achievement, its a nice venue. Belle vue is more than viable atvthe current stadium, but under the right owners. No doubts the opening meeting cost us. As for owing money every club is behind when paying riders. Its speedway its what happens, not great but its always been the case. What i can tell you is our riders will be paid in full as always. As for rumors i can tell you 95% of them will be false. But as ive stated i believe we need new owners with fresh ideas to take us on to the next level. So are the stories that BV are £300k in debt and looking to get new promotion in asap not true then and everything at the NSS is indeed rosy including riders getting paid in full and on time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjsj9803 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Well well the fun starts here I guess, I still suspect Wolves and title fav Poole to me a decent semi if it happens, the winners I suspect may meet Manc crew in the final, sticking my neck out I think we have a good chance injuries and illness free, certainly turn Poole over in a heart beat, this year I suspect the bookies have it wrong, so get off the fence @_ Edited September 13, 2016 by rjsj9803 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 No, the troll on this thread has just arrived Gavan. Give it a rest, there's been amicable discussion for a number of pages about an excellent meeting, then you come along with your poison. Back to Belle Vue, if they beat Swindon then I think it's pretty obvious they will chose Lakeside (if Lakeside get through), but if Swindon progress then I also think they will pick Wolves. dont feel like I've said anything out of turn. The form of Ellis and Newman is a concern. Kurtz engine failure did not cost Poole the meeting. Shovlar said Hougaard was a good guest for Fricke....he was wrong. He said Tungate was a poor guest for Hans...... He wasn't. I said Holder was awesome and he was. No poisen from me. 2 of Belle Vues heat leaders got 10 between them and their number one got only 4 of those. If Buck , Ellis or Newman had have done a little bit better Poole would have won. Poole still kept it to 3 points which is why over 2 legs they would be favourites to beat anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 dont feel like I've said anything out of turn. The form of Ellis and Newman is a concern. Kurtz engine failure did not cost Poole the meeting. Shovlar said Hougaard was a good guest for Fricke....he was wrong. He said Tungate was a poor guest for Hans...... He wasn't. I said Holder was awesome and he was. No poisen from me. 2 of Belle Vues heat leaders got 10 between them and their number one got only 4 of those. If Buck , Ellis or Newman had have done a little bit better Poole would have won. Poole still kept it to 3 points which is why over 2 legs they would be favourites to beat anyone. Fair reflection of ths meeting I would say... We did miss Fricke's scoring around the NSS as he has been our best rider round there (on the odd occasion he turns up)... Poole are still the favourites for me as their Number One is a genuine World Class rider who Zagar cannot match and the reserves are of a much higher standard (just not showing it all the time).. The rest of both teams are pretty similar I would say with not much between them head to head... Holder v Zagar the big advantage that makes me put Poole favourites.. Although crowd wise the worst option, I would avoid Poole like the plague in the semi and let Wolves have them. Swindon or Lakeside for us although given we hardly 'batter' any team at home, I think either would fancy their chances of winning on aggregate against us.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 dont feel like I've said anything out of turn.That's the problem you never do, but all you do is troll on Poole threads. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) WOULD guess BV would pick Wolves if Poole still ###### second. Money in the bag even if they don't reach the final. Why risk losing the most lucrative fixture?I can see merit in your theory Philip but surely that says everything about the kudos (or lack of it) in winning the EL title... ie pick the biggest money spinner rather than the one that gives you the best chance of silverware... It could be perceived by fans that its hardly worth racing 118 matches to find a winner (and investing time, emotion and cash to watch them) if the pay day is a higher priority rather than a League Title.. Sadly though I think for many promotions that is now the priority.. But very worrying if clubs want fans to attend week in, week out, investing their emotional attachment to a team in the belief that there may be tangible success at the end of the season.. Edited September 13, 2016 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I think last night showed just how good this track really is. Ok , Poole came back well to finish close but this was down to Holder, who was quite brilliant. What this meeting showed more than anything else was that any team wanting to be successful, has to be scoring on all fronts and last night neither team done that..... Whoever BV pick for the 'Play-offs', will have a chance of winning, the track is a big leveller. But they will need to be on the ball with each rider scoring. Last night Zagar was a big let down. When teams ride in important meetings, they look to their No1 for leadership and inspiration. I am sure he will come to the party when the cup is on the line. No doubt mark Lemon will be aware of this fact and will ensure the ACES have full team, all focused on success....... The biasness of the commentary team is over whelming, and so annoying. I'm sure they only see one team, whoever is riding... Tatum going on about Cookie touching the taps was embarrassing...... I know they have a job to do, but BV were equally as exciting as Poole were..... Just hope the 'Payoff Spectacle' is not spoilt by their biasness............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I think last night showed just how good this track really is. Ok , Poole came back well to finish close but this was down to Holder, who was quite brilliant. What this meeting showed more than anything else was that any team wanting to be successful, has to be scoring on all fronts and last night neither team done that..... Whoever BV pick for the 'Play-offs', will have a chance of winning, the track is a big leveller. But they will need to be on the ball with each rider scoring. Last night Zagar was a big let down. When teams ride in important meetings, they look to their No1 for leadership and inspiration. I am sure he will come to the party when the cup is on the line. No doubt mark Lemon will be aware of this fact and will ensure the ACES have full team, all focused on success....... The biasness of the commentary team is over whelming, and so annoying. I'm sure they only see one team, whoever is riding... Tatum going on about Cookie touching the taps was embarrassing...... I know they have a job to do, but BV were equally as exciting as Poole were..... Just hope the 'Payoff Spectacle' is not spoilt by their biasness............ Track was like Kings Lynn back in the day. Well that was there for the taking for Poole but for what ever reason they failed to take it. Zagar very poor and gifted Poole 3 points once when hitting the fence and another with the engine failure. But apparently according to the troll Kurtz engine failure cost them the meeting! What a strange little bubble that man lives in!!. Good job Ellis wasn't needed in the World Cup half a lap behind in a league meeting but apparently he is a racer and loves these big tracks! Newman was awful. It's ok being good on a poor track at Poole but his away scored could cost Poole. Tried to go between 2 riders them shut off very strange. Hougaard was awful and no replacement for Fricke at all as we all said......oops no the troll said it would make them stronger lol his speedway knowledge is so bad it's quite scary. Tungate massively strengthened the Pirates in place of Hans as again everyone said he would......oops except the troll again dear dear. Holder totally superb absolute masterclass. So the favourites only lost by 3 so at Poole you would expect them comfortably to win hence why they should win the league. Came Ellis and Newman be so poor again? Fricke will make Belle Vue stronger and surely Zagar must do better. Should be tight but Poole still should win At the time Kurtz engine failure cost us a 5-1 and the meeting. Zagar may have been last in heat 13 anyway we will never know but Kurtz was out in front at the time of his failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mj82 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Well done Belle vue. Good win last night without really getting out of second gear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Nothing to do with evening itself out. Poole could have won it in heat 15. Gutted. We ride absolutely dreadfully tonight, and an ef in heat 14 costs us victory. So so close. We have nothing to fear from Belle Vue. Three riders off form and we still could have won this. The only problem is, Wolves are a totally different kettle of fish. Using your logic Steve, Poole must still be favourites for the EL title then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poole Quay 7 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Well that was there for the taking for Poole but for what ever reason they failed to take it. Zagar very poor and gifted Poole 3 points once when hitting the fence and another with the engine failure. But apparently according to the troll Kurtz engine failure cost them the meeting! What a strange little bubble that man lives in!!. Good job Ellis wasn't needed in the World Cup half a lap behind in a league meeting but apparently he is a racer and loves these big tracks! Newman was awful. It's ok being good on a poor track at Poole but his away scored could cost Poole. Tried to go between 2 riders them shut off very strange. Hougaard was awful and no replacement for Fricke at all as we all said......oops no the troll said it would make them stronger lol his speedway knowledge is so bad it's quite scary. Tungate massively strengthened the Pirates in place of Hans as again everyone said he would......oops except the troll again dear dear. Holder totally superb absolute masterclass. So the favourites only lost by 3 so at Poole you would expect them comfortably to win hence why they should win the league. Came Ellis and Newman be so poor again? Fricke will make Belle Vue stronger and surely Zagar must do better. Should be tight but Poole still should win Yet more predicable crap from Lilly and to think he is actually misguided enough to call someone else a Troll 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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