SteveLyric2 Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Well lets hope its more than just a decent crowd on a non-bank holiday Monday, with most schools having gone back and with Sky showing it. Always good to have a great crowd for the cameras. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Are you insinuating that our local councilors have a liking for rent boys. You must be a thick as two short planks mate, look at the gap in the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I really hope we get a decent crowd tonight. If you would rather watch tonigts meeting on tv than be there and watch live speedway then your not a true aces fans. Â Come on boys Let's make them Pirates walk the plank 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Of course it does. And perhaps that's why fans of other clubs are interested in the attendances of Belle Vue. There are not very pleasant rumours going around about the viability of the club. Not enough people coming through the turnstiles to pay the bills. We don't want to see the club fold or the stadium be reposessed by the council because the payments have not been met. Â Regardless of it being on Sky the crowd SHOULD be big. Its a top of the table clash with loads riding on it. If a big crowd doesn't come through the gate, is the sport viable in Manchester? Â Or is Belle Vue screaming out for new promoters with fresh ideas to get people to turn up? There's nothing wrong with the product, the racing is great. With a capacity of just 6000, it really shouldn't be difficult to get the place packed out with so many people in the Greater Manchester area. Â Â Â Â Agree with the above, The new stadium gave the opportunity to see the club re born in a new stadium with a great track, a team sitting atop the league table should have made promoting the club easier. Sadly that opportunity appears to have been lost, we had the opening night disaster and whoever was at fault you only get one opportunity to create a good first impression, lessons were not learnt and we had the Swindon debacle with some newbies I heard saying they would never be back. I work with people who have expressed surprise that speedway in Manchester is still going when I mentioned im going after work, that shows a woeful lack of promoting the club. Morton and Gordon have done brilliant to deliver this facility after 9 years of trials and tribulations it would be a travesty if that progress was not built on but even though I have great admiration for what the promotion have achieved I always questioned if they had that ability to run it. We now have unfounded rumours of money shortages and riders not having been paid, not the thing you want surrounding any club. Many dislike Matt Ford but no one can deny his business acumen its said its easier to promote in Poole than a major city with many sporting links like Manchester, Glasgow is similar to Manchester but look at what the Faccena brothers have done up there, their promotion of the Tigers has been everything the promotion of the Aces has not been. I fear a poor crowd tonight and again for the Swindon meeting. As for the match itself ive always felt we look more vulnerable at home due to the fairness of the track, if that's the price we have to pay for the increase in racing quality so be it, I think Poole could nick this tonight but we appear to have more important things on the horizon than the championship if the current crowd levels don't improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Â Of course it does. And perhaps that's why fans of other clubs are interested in the attendances of Belle Vue. There are not very pleasant rumours going around about the viability of the club. Not enough people coming through the turnstiles to pay the bills. We don't want to see the club fold or the stadium be reposessed by the council because the payments have not been met. Â Regardless of it being on Sky the crowd SHOULD be big. Its a top of the table clash with loads riding on it. If a big crowd doesn't come through the gate, is the sport viable in Manchester? Â Or is Belle Vue screaming out for new promoters with fresh ideas to get people to turn up? There's nothing wrong with the product, the racing is great. With a capacity of just 6000, it really shouldn't be difficult to get the place packed out with so many people in the Greater Manchester area. Â Â Â Â Agree with the above, The new stadium gave the opportunity to see the club re born in a new stadium with a great track, a team sitting atop the league table should have made promoting the club easier. Sadly that opportunity appears to have been lost, we had the opening night disaster and whoever was at fault you only get one opportunity to create a good first impression, lessons were not learnt and we had the Swindon debacle with some newbies I heard saying they would never be back. I work with people who have expressed surprise that speedway in Manchester is still going when I mentioned im going after work, that shows a woeful lack of promoting the club. Morton and Gordon have done brilliant to deliver this facility after 9 years of trials and tribulations it would be a travesty if that progress was not built on but even though I have great admiration for what the promotion have achieved I always questioned if they had that ability to run it. We now have unfounded rumours of money shortages and riders not having been paid, not the thing you want surrounding any club. Many dislike Matt Ford but no one can deny his business acumen its said its easier to promote in Poole than a major city with many sporting links like Manchester, Glasgow is similar to Manchester but look at what the Faccena brothers have done up there, their promotion of the Tigers has been everything the promotion of the Aces has not been. I fear a poor crowd tonight and again for the Swindon meeting. As for the match itself ive always felt we look more vulnerable at home due to the fairness of the track, if that's the price we have to pay for the increase in racing quality so be it, I think Poole could nick this tonight but we appear to have more important things on the horizon than the championship if the current crowd levels don't improve. Â It doesn't matter how good the stadium is or how good the racing is, if people dont want it you won't get them in people have so much more to do nowadays that they had in the 70's and 60's. Even with it being on sky tonight if you don't get a decent crowd then you may as well pack up. But as per usual sky will focus on the packed bits to make it look good. but they will also eventually show angles which will be a dead give away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Belle vue is more than viable atvthe current stadium, but under the right owners. No doubts the opening meeting cost us. As for owing money every club is behind when paying riders. Its speedway its what happens, not great but its always been the case. What i can tell you is our riders will be paid in full as always. Â As for rumors i can tell you 95% of them will be false. Â But as ive stated i believe we need new owners with fresh ideas to take us on to the next level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Is there a break even figure for average crowds so they can pay the rent etc? My football club are always banging on about how much they need through the gate to break even. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I was also wondering if cash flow might have been hit by any legal issues ongoing surrounding the opening night, David Gordon had mentioned about action being taken due to losses being incurred, if that was the case the culmination of any compensation could change things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 It doesn't matter about people having other things to do today. If that was the case Old Trafford would be 3/4s empty as fans watch on Sky. Â The product served up at the NSS is excellent. The right promotion should be able to pack 'em in. If Glasgow can do it with Celtic and Rangers on their doorstep, so can Belle Vue. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 It doesn't matter about people having other things to do today. If that was the case Old Trafford would be 3/4s empty as fans watch on Sky. Â The product served up at the NSS is excellent. The right promotion should be able to pack 'em in. If Glasgow can do it with Celtic and Rangers on their doorstep, so can Belle Vue. This post makes total sense. Nobody can surely argue with this. The product at Belle vue is superb, but the PR, marketing and promoting is no existent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Oh the ordering tickets on line, look at us arn't we so special. Read the frigging posts. clearly you dont. Its speedway not a premier league match.. Â You'll find that Poole are behind the times if they don't offer online booking. Even Swindon offer this service and I've not been to Lakeside for a few years, but last time I did visit they let you pay for admission on entry with a debit or credit card! No queing up with a couple of piglets and a dorset apple cake under your arm to try and barter your way into the stadium there!!! Â If your just talking pay on the gate i would say im pretty near the mark. Â Based on what assumptions? How often have you visited BV's new stadium and researched this? Â Â The guard is most definately changing in the EL, with BV now the club of the moment with the best stadium in the country, so it should be a cracker tonight. Poole did ok on their first visit to the track a couple of weeks ago and with a guest now for Andersen are a bit stronger this time around. Still think BV will win the meeting and secure top spot in the league with Poole maybe nicking a point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Anyway back to the meeting I reckon BV will nick it I am going for a 48-42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I've not heard any rumours but even Adams had a pop at our 'millions' when interviewed during the sky meeting. If promoters are stirring rubbish (alliteration doesn't work as well with the auto change thing does it?) then what chance have we got? Â I hope the crowd is big but the correlation between the advance sales and the apparent attendance has been pretty consistent, 40/60 at best. The last time I looked less than 700 tickets in the grandstand had been sold suggesting a similar crowd to the wolves sky meeting. There could be more walk ups tonight though as for the first time this season there has been a poster campaign for this meeting. Â Its a pity we have the crap qualifier and knockout cup format otherwise the crowd would have been bigger than the bank holiday fixture. This is our 5th home meeting since we all but assured our knockout cup bit place and crowds have at best been maintained, top spot might be important but the fact is if Belle Vue lose few will be that bothered once the dust settles and the same goes if Poole lose. The same can't be said had this been a proper league championship meeting rather than just a qualifier. Â I'm not sure we need new promoters either? Has any other club doubled their crowds compared to last season? I wouldn't be surprised if we are not the second best supported speedway club in the UK. Â Hopefully crowds will continue to grow but as a comparison Man City have to sell season tickets cheaper than Stockport County to get the numbers in! When you've got a 60,000 stadium that's an option but the swaythes of empty seats at their home games suggests that the real support hasn't turned up despite all that Arab money, but it has improved compared to their first few seasons at their new stadium. I don't see why Belle Vue should be any different. Personally think the fact it is on tv has more of a bearing on crowd levels than the playoff format. In my opinion the playoffs have been good for the sport as a whole and re-generated interest and it is the only thing Sky are concerned about. If we didn't have playoffs i don't think it would be on tv anymore and i don't think any club could afford to live without the tv money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 You must be a thick as two short planks mate, look at the gap in the post. It's like rain, on your wedding day... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 You must be a thick as two short planks mate, look at the gap in the post. I see a scense of humour is missing up there as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I see a scense of humour is missing up there as well. It's more than that, I'd say 95% of cerebral functions are missing! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wackie Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 It's like rain, on your wedding day... Â A free ride, when you're already paid online through the booking office 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 It doesn't matter about people having other things to do today. If that was the case Old Trafford would be 3/4s empty as fans watch on Sky.  The product served up at the NSS is excellent. The right promotion should be able to pack 'em in. If Glasgow can do it with Celtic and Rangers on their doorstep, so can Belle Vue. Of course it matters!  If Speedway is a minority sport in Manchester it doesnt matter how you promote it you will still struggle to get people in. Look at Bradfords stadium it was never full as wasnt a speedway town.  Its not like Poole where there is nothing to do except stare at a few boats and make sure that your new girlfriend is your cousin.  The jealousy coming out of Dorset regarding Belle Vue is so loud. Face facts that speedways biggest club has a great stadium and racetrack, something Poole fans dont seem to like.  Back to tonight  Poole should win this by 10. An inconsistent Zagar should be outscored by Holder Worrall has gone out of form Fricke missing is a massive blow for Belle Vue..................oh no wait the troll thinks Hougaard is better lol Buck and Kurtz will be more than a match for out of form Cook and Nicholls. And at reserve Newman although having a very poor season flew round here last time.  Lets see if the favourites for the title can win away from home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Sons of Poole, of Dorset. My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come, when the courage of Pirates fails, when we forsake our points and break all bonds of team spirit, but it is not this day! An hour of Riders and shattered bikes when the age of The Pirates comes crashing down! But it is not this day!This day we fight! By all that you hold dear in this great team, I bid you, stand, men of the Blue & White!With apologies to Aragorn 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Â If Speedway is a minority sport in Manchester it doesnt matter how you promote it you will still struggle to get people in. Look at Bradfords stadium it was never full as wasnt a speedway town. Â Â Face facts that speedways biggest club has a great stadium and racetrack, something Poole fans dont seem to like. Â Â Â Don't contradict yourself too much there Gavan... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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