Cliffeboy Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 It doesn't make the sport look barmy - it just brings it into line with 80-90% of other sports, who also realise the value of play-offs. Football doesn't have them at the top level, because it already plays out to capacity crowds. But it does have them to decide the final promotion place for the other leagues, because at those levels, a bumper pay day is welcomed. Play-offs are part of the modern sporting landscape and here to stay, even though one-or-two old fossils may not like them. Here's one old fossil who does! All the best Rob That's the change I would make. The table-toppers would receive a trophy. I believe Rugby does this - the table toppers receive a 'minor' trophy, while the play-off winners are the champions. All the best Rob Not sure where you got 80 to 90 % I could only find about 10 , and the only motor based one is NASCAR . Mostly in USA . The second point , proper trophy for the table toppers and minor trophy for rip off winners. How can the major trophy not go to the team that have done the buis over the full season , come on . The dynamic of the teams, having to chop and change because of the averages every year, would be different without the playoffs. To me they make it if anything slighty fairer. Take Edinburgh as an example - don't think they are going to win, but they are in the playoffs and still have a chance despite making two gambles on riders, only one of which worked. The teams that develop best over the season are in the playoffs, rather than the teams that flew out the starting blocks gaining an advantage. Maybe it's because I'm (slightly) younger but to me they are great. Put it this way, you'd have 12 teams with nothing to play for other than those still in the cups at this point in the season. There are no european places or promotion up for grabs and no relegation battle, so for most teams the season would have been over weeks ago. Glad you said you were younger are you one of the "right on " brigade who don't like kids losing at school sports. I agree with you re the teams all starting on a level threshold, points wise. So if this season you have a bad one, you get a chance to start over again with a level playing field to get It right the following season. Nobody at all fancied Somerset this year, massive gamble on Tungate and two untried riders in BWD and Jake at this level plus Zach. Over the season they have eclipsed all the fancied teams by a country mile, but it means nothing , and as a sports fan of some 50 years I can't support that. Time for me to shut up now, I've enjoyed all the discussions today I'm all talked out ( thank goodness I can hear you all saying ). Two semis coming up for us now, would be great if we could pot a trophy or two to go with the Pairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Nah, don't buy that , if you ran a couple of attractive fixtures at the end of the season , the difference in attendance would be negligible imo. Your hard core support would still pitch up. Nah, don't buy that , if you ran a couple of attractive fixtures at the end of the season , the difference in attendance would be negligible imo. Your hard core support would still pitch up. Dont agree mate, you would get nothing like a play off attendance.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) Why are Newcastle fans so deluded, your the same in football, we finished top and have been the best team all season. Why ride 24 meetings if it's just qualifications.oops, Gazc is a celtic fan iirc Edited September 6, 2016 by Arson fire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Do Somerset get any thing for finishing the regular season top of the pile ? Their very own thread on BSF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 oops, Gazc is a celtic fan iirc Took that too far i am now traumatised at the thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogo1 Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 The play offs are here to stay, they help clubs pay off bills at the end of the season and whether we like them or not they do bring in the crowds, an end of season tournament wouldn't be the same, well done to Somerset for finishing top but rest assured if they don't win the play off final there riders, promotion and fans will be gutted, try telling them, but it's ok as you finished top, Newcastle put down a marker on Sunday night and only lost by 4 at Somerset earlier in the season, and that will worry them. No two meetings are ever the same and the tension at the play offs can get to anybody. I believe anyone of the top 5 can win the league , my team Glasgow, if there on it!, they will be tough to beat! Only wish Sky would show an interest in it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I've always thought it would be a good idea to have the 'play off' League Cup...instead of a play off final to determine the league winners. As it stood from today...Somerset would be League Champions. At the end of all the league fixtures, you have the top 6 teams go into a 'play off League Cup' final. So that it's not devalued, you would have to find a way of making it worth winning. Say for example...the winners of the 'Play off League Cup' get to have an extra points average allowed when finalising their team for the following season...or something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Same old thing ..let's just say there were no play offs the season would have been over ages ago and crowds would have dropped ...as has been said over and over again no one cares about end of season plays off unless the league it's up for grabs .hence why the young shield etc was killed off Don't get me wrong I am all for league system where the top team is champions but sadly due to speedway having no Promotion no relegation no top spots for places in Europe etc etc like football it has to be must to the season alive and keep the crowds up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I've always thought it would be a good idea to have the 'play off' League Cup...instead of a play off final to determine the league winners. As it stood from today...Somerset would be League Champions. At the end of all the league fixtures, you have the top 6 teams go into a 'play off League Cup' final. So that it's not devalued, you would have to find a way of making it worth winning. Say for example...the winners of the 'Play off League Cup' get to have an extra points average allowed when finalising their team for the following season...or something along those lines. They tried that... it was called the Jack Young Shield, and the crowds were appalling. The play-offs only attract the crowds when they determine the league champions. Only speedway supporters would complain about something that is a success and is a crowd-puller. All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I would rather my team won the playoffs than finished top of the league but if you finish top and win the playoffs than that has to be the geatest achievement which i think somerset will. They have been the top team this season and will take some stopping 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I would rather my team won the playoffs than finished top of the league but if you finish top and win the playoffs than that has to be the geatest achievement which i think somerset will. They have been the top team this season and will take some stopping Providing they can stear clear of any injuries.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) Rules is rules. Personally I prefer most points wins. However, I did enjoy immensely the build up to and meetings in the PL Play Off final last year against Edinburgh. Despite the result. Edited September 6, 2016 by george.m 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I think Newcastle will beat Somerset in the play offs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idanthyrsus Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 The bigger problem is that at the cut-off date (which I think is the 19th September) I suspect that not one team will have actually completed their league fixtures. Therefore you cannot call Somerset as league champions for being top of the league when it hasn't finished. So there 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) I think Newcastle will beat Somerset in the play offs Newcastle? Their away form may trip them up - they've very much dependent on stuffing everyone at home. I'd say Somerset are firm favourites to win the championship. All the best Rob Edited September 6, 2016 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I think Newcastle's chances went with Lewis' collarbone unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 They tried that... it was called the Jack Young Shield, and the crowds were appalling. The play-offs only attract the crowds when they determine the league champions. Only speedway supporters would complain about something that is a success and is a crowd-puller. All the best Rob Sadly that say's more about people in society today...Everything has to be instant...wham bam thank you maaam. The fact that speedway fans actually believe they are champions even if they didn't win the league over the whole season...what sort of thinking is that...most bizarre. You only have to look at Bristol Rugby winning the league for so many years, then losing the play offs and missing out on promotion...what a joke that was. Similar mentality...reward for doing partly well. As for your last sentence...going by this forum, speedway fans just like complaining full stop. ;-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Newcastle? Their away form may trip them up - they've very much dependent on stuffing everyone at home. I'd say Somerset are firm favourites to win the championship. All the best Rob isn't that how to win the play-offs,,, but don't get as stuffed away ??? that's how I see it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) Not keen on play offs due to teams making changes to win, not what it's about, think promoters and fans should be more loyal to their chosen 1-7 from day one, however I accept they're here to stay. A lot of talk on here previously,about play offs being created in various sports to bring the season to a climax to suit the media and TV coverage. Also does make the season last longer for the top six teams and on a good year keeps it interesting for say the teams placed from say 4th to 8th for the last third of the season. Think the icing on the cake would be for Sky to take an interest and cover the semi finals and Final the same as they do with the elite league. Why not give the team that finishes top of the league an extra point to play with on there starting average for the following season, and a play off winners cash prize of say, an equal amount being put in a pot at the start of the season by each teams promotion (say £500 per team). Edited September 7, 2016 by speed ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Same old thing ..let's just say there were no play offs the season would have been over ages ago and crowds would have dropped ...as has been said over and over again no one cares about end of season plays off unless the league it's up for grabs .hence why the young shield etc was killed off Don't get me wrong I am all for league system where the top team is champions but sadly due to speedway having no Promotion no relegation no top spots for places in Europe etc etc like football it has to be must to the season alive and keep the crowds up That's the nail hit on the head - when Glasgow won the league a few seasons back before the play offs wasn't the league all but over by August? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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