Shadders Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Shads, the finishing positions in 2007 were: 1. King's Lynn 2. Birmingham (5th at cut-off) 3. Rye House 4. Sheffield 5. IOW http://www.speedwaygb.co/premierleaguetable07 So not quite as much good fortune for Rye as you suggest. As for KL, they had choice of semi-final opponents and chose Sheffield, so more fool them! All the teams knew the rules at the start of the season, and therefore RH were worthy league champions. All the best Rob Well, I wasn't far off 😃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Shads, the finishing positions in 2007 were: 1. King's Lynn 2. Birmingham (5th at cut-off) 3. Rye House 4. Sheffield 5. IOW http://www.speedwaygb.co/premierleaguetable07 So not quite as much good fortune for Rye as you suggest. As for KL, they had choice of semi-final opponents and chose Sheffield, so more fool them! All the teams knew the rules at the start of the season, and therefore RH were worthy league champions. All the best Rob We all know the rules at the start Rob, but what people are saying is it's stupid and makes our sport look barmy. In your post where you point out Rye were worthy champs, you also use words and phrases like "good fortune for Rye", and "more fool them ". As I recall KL were top top team that year, very entertaining team. We are stuck with it this year but please you guys who look after Speedway please bin this nonsense for 2017. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Playoffs are fantastic and here to stay.... Big crowds, anticipation and an exciting end to the season if the weather plays ball. Just ask the weegies who loved it in 2015 ....... If the top team are all conquering then they will win everything in any case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Play-offs are about dealing with pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Quite agree with most of your comments the team that wins the league should be crowned as league champions end of but to just use Panthers as an example is being a bit biased , as the rule stands if your in the top 6 you have the same chance of winning it as much as the other 5 while don't agree with it that's the way it's set up , may be it would be better if the team that finishes top of the league are crowned champions and the playoffs are a separate competition, In my book Somerset have proved they are the most consistent team in the league so should be recognised as the champions . Congratulations to Somerset for topping the league firstly.This is how I Would rather see it but that is just my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 In 2007 Rye lost Robbo early in the season and Silver's replacement signing were poor until he finally got it right with Ekberg - the team Rye had would have won that league but for Robbo's injury. The playoffs were a forgone conclusion whoever they got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri1966 Posted September 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Newcastle the first team to lose league title to the playoffs when they finished the season top. It just makes the season 3 knockout competitions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Play-offs are about dealing with pressure.Apparently Sophie's pressure is around 10-15 PSI 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Quite agree with most of your comments the team that wins the league should be crowned as league champions end of but to just use Panthers as an example is being a bit biased , as the rule stands if your in the top 6 you have the same chance of winning it as much as the other 5 while don't agree with it that's the way it's set up , may be it would be better if the team that finishes top of the league are crowned champions and the playoffs are a separate competition, In my book Somerset have proved they are the most consistent team in the league so should be recognised as the champions .Imagine the scenario in football , Leicester finish top in the best PL ever then we run a little play off nonsense , United splash out again and win . Man U now champs.....uproar. Playoffs are fantastic and here to stay.... Big crowds, anticipation and an exciting end to the season if the weather plays ball. Just ask the weegies who loved it in 2015 ....... If the top team are all conquering then they will win everything in any case. I cannot think of another sport where favourites are not nailed on as you imply than speedway. Literally one second can ruin an entire fixture for you with no going back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Yeah I think I know what the rules are, just pointing out how absurd the whole thing is, and trying to get my head around a competition which as you say requires 24 "qualifying " matches for a six match shoot out. I guessing that most speedway followers would agree with me. I think the only people who may be in favour of the rip offs are those who manage to creep into the top six and Nick the title off the team that has finished top. Tbh I couldn't give a you know what about the rip offs , but how "fair " would it be if say the Cats did win it .........another nail in the coffin. Not at all mate, the play off's are good for speedway, those who qualify will do well out of it attendance wise, thats what its all about. Same as ours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Not at all mate, the play off's are good for speedway, those who qualify will do well out of it attendance wise, thats what its all about. Same as ours.Nah, don't buy that , if you ran a couple of attractive fixtures at the end of the season , the difference in attendance would be negligible imo. Your hard core support would still pitch up.Not at all mate, the play off's are good for speedway, those who qualify will do well out of it attendance wise, thats what its all about. Same as ours.Nah, don't buy that , if you ran a couple of attractive fixtures at the end of the season , the difference in attendance would be negligible imo. Your hard core support would still pitch up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Shads, the finishing positions in 2007 were: 1. King's Lynn 2. Birmingham (5th at cut-off) 3. Rye House 4. Sheffield 5. IOW http://www.speedwaygb.co/premierleaguetable07 So not quite as much good fortune for Rye as you suggest. As for KL, they had choice of semi-final opponents and chose Sheffield, so more fool them! All the teams knew the rules at the start of the season, and therefore RH were worthy league champions. All the best Rob If you look back at the scores in the previous four fixtures between the sides that season (including a 75-15!) Sheffield were probably the natural choice but unfortunately we didn't turn up in the first leg at Owlerton and got marmalised. Pretty obvious why Play Offs are used ie gate receipts, exciting climax to the season, Sky involvement in the EL and I don't have a problem with that but the fairest way will always be to crown who comes top. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) Apparently Sophie's pressure is around 10-15 PSI how do you know about the pressure for Sophie flying panther ? seems quite high that for the plastic involved . a sure fire way to help Sophie not getting punctured again is to go to Halfords bicycle department and get a product called slime . then again it may have enough slime in it by now ! dont think the two will mix somehow ...... just wonder when they will invent a run flat Sophie ! ! ! Edited September 6, 2016 by jenga 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pob Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Do Somerset get any thing for finishing the regular season top of the pile ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) We all know the rules at the start Rob, but what people are saying is it's stupid and makes our sport look barmy. In your post where you point out Rye were worthy champs, you also use words and phrases like "good fortune for Rye", and "more fool them ". As I recall KL were top top team that year, very entertaining team. We are stuck with it this year but please you guys who look after Speedway please bin this nonsense for 2017. It doesn't make the sport look barmy - it just brings it into line with 80-90% of other sports, who also realise the value of play-offs. Football doesn't have them at the top level, because it already plays out to capacity crowds. But it does have them to decide the final promotion place for the other leagues, because at those levels, a bumper pay day is welcomed. Play-offs are part of the modern sporting landscape and here to stay, even though one-or-two old fossils may not like them. Here's one old fossil who does! All the best Rob Do Somerset get any thing for finishing the regular season top of the pile ? That's the change I would make. The table-toppers would receive a trophy. I believe Rugby does this - the table toppers receive a 'minor' trophy, while the play-off winners are the champions. All the best Rob Edited September 6, 2016 by lucifer sam 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Rye would easily of won the league that season with the side they had, woffy goin from 3 to 9 and roynon 3 to 6 both at reserve. Or something like that Was a superb side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) Newcastle the first team to lose league title to the playoffs when they finished the season top. It just makes the season 3 knockout competitions I think you'll find the year 2007 came before the year 2012. In 2007, KL topped the table, while Rye House were deserving winners of the play-offs. Newcastle were another team who got their just desserts for picking the wrong team for their group. Went for Somerset instead of Edinburgh, and then got knocked out by Somerset. Only got themselves to blame for that. All the best Rob Edited September 6, 2016 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Speedway is mainly about money not about winning leagues. As a promoter if you asked him would you like to win the league or make a profit I think everybody would know the answer. This also applies to the riders, they ride for money whatever team they ride for. Like Scott Nicholls top scoring as a guest for Poole last night. If he was serious for BV winning the league he would not have ridden or had engine failures /fall off/tape exclusions etc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aroundtheboards Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Well done Rebels on winning the league. I'm old school speedway so not a fan of the playoffs .Too much can go wrong in speedway over 2 legs to decide the title .Where the Rebels have been consistent through out the season .good Exactly my sentiments !!! Well done Somerset Rebels, Gary May and Debbie !!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 The dynamic of the teams, having to chop and change because of the averages every year, would be different without the playoffs. To me they make it if anything slighty fairer. Take Edinburgh as an example - don't think they are going to win, but they are in the playoffs and still have a chance despite making two gambles on riders, only one of which worked. The teams that develop best over the season are in the playoffs, rather than the teams that flew out the starting blocks gaining an advantage. Maybe it's because I'm (slightly) younger but to me they are great. Put it this way, you'd have 12 teams with nothing to play for other than those still in the cups at this point in the season. There are no european places or promotion up for grabs and no relegation battle, so for most teams the season would have been over weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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