TurnTwo Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 Not really it clearly states in the rule book pl priority over NL so I think they can be accused of not being able to read / understand a very clear rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 Actually, and according to greensheets, Ellis was top of Poole's averages at the start of May and has dropped by about a point and a half since (to be fair, he's no longer at reserve). There are lots of reasons why he rides in the NL, and every single one has the Queens head on it. It suits Eastbourne, it suits him, it suits Eastbourne's fans and I'd argue strongly that he doesn't take up a young lads place. To me, though, there is something both slightly wrong and slightly distasteful about a rider who competes in a league way below his abilities (at the same time refusing to ride in a higher one) simply for the money - and, from what I have heard, a very sizeable and guaranteed amount indeed. Personally, I'd say the league's sponsor is more qualified to criticise the NL than any other person - after all, he is putting in a significant amount of money and has a right to say if something is wrong. The problem with Easter is that he is part of the Mildenhall set up so he is hardly likely to be unbiased. For that reason - and not because he is a sponsor - he should have kept his mouth shut. His comments, however, have been made by many others and I happen to agree at least to an extent with them. There's no doubt Ellis is the league's best rider but he he's nowhere near the most exciting (try Bewley or Shanes, for a start). As to whether he is an attraction, I am not so sure. In the NL, it is more about the team as a whole than an individual. Moreover, people go to see their riders take on and beat the big stars from other clubs. With Ellis, he is so far above NL standard that that is a remote possibility which means he is predictable and therefore, at least potentially, boring. With Halsey, my understanding was that Mildenhall thought they had an agreement with Peterborough but were overridden by the BSPA. For that reason, I think the worst they can be accused of is being naïve. Go back to your "well placed source" who told you that Adam is on a lot of money and a sizeable guarantee and tell him he's talking out of his arse. Adam is on the same as he was last year at Birmingham ( which even then was less than some other NL riders) But don't let the truth get in the way of a good old moan. As for boring, ask the fans who go to see him, the opposition riders who like to pitch themselves against him or his team mates who have been quoted as to how much he helps out in the pits. Sour grapes anyone ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) . Edited September 8, 2016 by Jonny the spud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 What I don't get is why pick on Adam? What about Clegg and Morris who both have also / do ride El and can be just as dominant in this league? And I bet you they get more queens heads than Ellis does, that's why before us and Brum moved up they won everything and had all the big guns of the league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 What I don't get is why pick on Adam? What about Clegg and Morris who both have also / do ride El and can be just as dominant in this league? And I bet you they get more queens heads than Ellis does, that's why before us and Brum moved up they won everything and had all the big guns of the league. Only one or two do it on here, best to ignore it really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 I don't know which team Halifaxtiger supports but if Adam was to decide to stay NL next year and signed for his team he would be purring like a kitten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 (edited) the only reason Adam gets all of the stick is he left the N.L. but then dared to come back as he found it wasn't the best move for him. he came back for the extra racing, end of... and Adam , Eastbourne and Poole have benefited from it. H.T. et all remembers last season different to me as i don't remember him a couple of points ahead of everyone else so out growing this league , i remember half a dozen stand out riders all within a point of one another with all but BWD competing in the N.L. this year. i can't wait to see if H.T.'s got the front to call his dad a liar. Edited September 9, 2016 by gee jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 (edited) Go back to your "well placed source" who told you that Adam is on a lot of money and a sizeable guarantee and tell him he's talking out of his arse. Adam is on the same as he was last year at Birmingham ( which even then was less than some other NL riders) But don't let the truth get in the way of a good old moan. As for boring, ask the fans who go to see him, the opposition riders who like to pitch themselves against him or his team mates who have been quoted as to how much he helps out in the pits. Sour grapes anyone ? Did I quote a 'well placed source' ? I don't believe I did. Nothing more than hearsay. As you are so knowledgeable on the subject, perhaps you could tell me what he gains from riding against the likes of Strudwick, Woods & Bowtell - and, for that matter Armstrong, Coles and Halsey - while turning down the opportunity to ride against Cook, King, Masters in the PL as well as the EL ? It a question I - and I suspect many others - would like answered because, apart from money, I simply can't see any reason and that's the nub of the matter here. For your information I am not a Mildenhall supporter. I would have thought 3 visits to the track this season might have told you that. Nothing like being overwhelmingly biased is there ? That's the point. The opposition riders want to beat Adam and if they do, their fans go wild. Doesn't happen often but that is what makes them special. Bet Halsey was pleased to beat him at Mildenhall in the cup. The other advantage Adam has is that he can try things in the NL which he could not afford to do in an EL match. My point here is precisely how many do beat him or even stand a chance of beating him ? Given that he is averaging over 11 a match, there can't be many. One point dropped at Arlington all season says it all. I bet Halsey was. Then again, I bet Carl Wilkinson was pleased to beat the World Champion the other night. Flukes happen. I don't know which team Halifaxtiger supports but if Adam was to decide to stay NL next year and signed for his team he would be purring like a kitten. I don't support a team but if it was a PL side I might well be. I am sure you might have something to say if Craig Cook signed for Buxton. His EL average is about the same as Ellis'. the only reason Adam gets all of the stick is he left the N.L. but then dared to come back as he found it wasn't the best move for him. he came back for the extra racing, end of... and Adam , Eastbourne and Poole have benefited from it. H.T. et all remembers last season different to me as i don't remember him a couple of points ahead of everyone else so out growing this league , i remember half a dozen stand out riders all within a point of one another with all but BWD competing in the N.L. this year. i can't wait to see if H.T.'s got the front to call his dad a liar. Aside from his bank balance, I really don't see how he benefits from riding NL and if he needs extra rides why not take up a PL offer ? We are talking about a rider who was at the top of Poole's averages when he signed for Eastbourne. I have no reason to call his father - or anyone else - a liar because I don't think he has been untruthful. I simply do not understand why a rider of Ellis' ability chooses to race against Cockle, Terry-Daley & Blacklock and we'll see whether the knowledgable gentleman above gives us a straight answer to that question. What good can that possibly do his career ? What I don't get is why pick on Adam? What about Clegg and Morris who both have also / do ride El and can be just as dominant in this league? And I bet you they get more queens heads than Ellis does, that's why before us and Brum moved up they won everything and had all the big guns of the league. Clegg & Morris both ride PL, too, neither of then are averaging over 6.5 in the EL and they are nowhere near as dominant as Ellis. Wouldn't it be truly ridiculous if Craig Cook, Robert Lambert & Danny King signed for NL Clubs - that's most of our World Team Cup squad in the third tier of British Speedway. They all have EL averages that are similar to Ellis'. Edited September 10, 2016 by Halifaxtiger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 I am sure you might have something to say if Craig Cook signed for Buxton. His EL average is about the same as Ellis'. I certainly would. Great signing, Good luck Buxton just the shot in the arm they need and deserve. Unfortunately not likely to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 Yes I was gonna say if they got Craig cook that would be brilliant as they've had some tough times I'd happily welcome it. Just be careful Halifax you don't want to dig yourself a too deeper hole.... Experience telling you that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 At the end of the day the points limit in all three leagues determine who you have in the team, who wants to ride for your team and what type of team you build, Birmingham have done a brilliant job with strength in depth this year, because of injuries on the first day Eastbourne had to change their statagy and if you remember had a few weeks using guests with no new No 1's becoming available . Adam initially rode on a short term deal to get extra rides early in the season and genuinely help the club out of a bit of a hole. Don't for a minute believe it was a financial situation but benefitted both at that time. I think because of the professional way the Dugards run the club, both agreed to extend the deal, suited us having the best rider from the Nl in 2015, and gained Adam the extra rides to keep him on form. Unlike the other riders mentioned who do PL, Adam was/is also involved in the World U21 and was in the world cup squad. Taking all that into account dought he would have wanted to take on a full season in the Pl even though he could obviously compete with the likes of King etc . If anyone else like Cook ,Worrall etc qualify to ride in the NL and want to bring it on, I'd be watching! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted September 10, 2016 Report Share Posted September 10, 2016 At the end of the day the points limit in all three leagues determine who you have in the team, who wants to ride for your team and what type of team you build, Birmingham have done a brilliant job with strength in depth this year, because of injuries on the first day Eastbourne had to change their statagy and if you remember had a few weeks using guests with no new No 1's becoming available . Adam initially rode on a short term deal to get extra rides early in the season and genuinely help the club out of a bit of a hole. Don't for a minute believe it was a financial situation but benefitted both at that time. I think because of the professional way the Dugards run the club, both agreed to extend the deal, suited us having the best rider from the Nl in 2015, and gained Adam the extra rides to keep him on form. Unlike the other riders mentioned who do PL, Adam was/is also involved in the World U21 and was in the world cup squad. Taking all that into account dought he would have wanted to take on a full season in the Pl even though he could obviously compete with the likes of King etc . If anyone else like Cook ,Worrall etc qualify to ride in the NL and want to bring it on, I'd be watching! At the end of the day the points limit in all three leagues determine who you have in the team, who wants to ride for your team and what type of team you build, Birmingham have done a brilliant job with strength in depth this year, because of injuries on the first day Eastbourne had to change their statagy and if you remember had a few weeks using guests with no new No 1's becoming available . Adam initially rode on a short term deal to get extra rides early in the season and genuinely help the club out of a bit of a hole. Don't for a minute believe it was a financial situation but benefitted both at that time. I think because of the professional way the Dugards run the club, both agreed to extend the deal, suited us having the best rider from the Nl in 2015, and gained Adam the extra rides to keep him on form. Unlike the other riders mentioned who do PL, Adam was/is also involved in the World U21 and was in the world cup squad. Taking all that into account dought he would have wanted to take on a full season in the Pl even though he could obviously compete with the likes of King etc . If anyone else like Cook ,Worrall etc qualify to ride in the NL and want to bring it on, I'd be watching! Have to agree with all the above. I've followed Adam for a few years now and loved seeing him evolve. Last year he couldn't get round lakeside for love nor money, if riding at eastbourne has done anything for his riding skills it's managed to help him on smaller tracks, he's flown around thurrock this year. People tend to forget he's still young and only rode a speedway bike competitively 4 years ago for the first time. Leave the lad alone and celebrate the fact that he ( and others) are good future prospects for team GB. Also, having top riders in ANY league can only be good... Do we ban Tai because he's "too good" for the EL? Sour grapes indeed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 Have to agree with all the above. I've followed Adam for a few years now and loved seeing him evolve. Last year he couldn't get round lakeside for love nor money, if riding at eastbourne has done anything for his riding skills it's managed to help him on smaller tracks, he's flown around thurrock this year. People tend to forget he's still young and only rode a speedway bike competitively 4 years ago for the first time. Leave the lad alone and celebrate the fact that he ( and others) are good future prospects for team GB. Also, having top riders in ANY league can only be good... Do we ban Tai because he's "too good" for the EL? Sour grapes indeed Of course we don't because that's the top level of British speedway! The argument here is that most agree that their should be a limit determining what ability a rider can reach before he is no longer allowed to ride in the NL and therefore progress upwards into the PL and EL. But our current league structure does t aid that natural progression. Some think that Ellis is above that limit, but some don't. Though there's a clear argument for Ellis being the highest achiever in the league and currently at a higher standard than Morris, Clegg et al, when you look at his EL average, a World Cup place and U21 achievements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brummiestormer Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 First of all let me state Adam Ellis is one of the nicest guys you could wish to meet and he was loved at Birmingham and i won't have a word said against him......that said Easbourne fans have short memories it seems quite a few moaned about his dominance in the NL last year when with us and he's even better now and are defending him like we had too last year----ironic really! You will never find me or most Brummies fans knocking Adam even though he rides for Eagles now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 First of all let me state Adam Ellis is one of the nicest guys you could wish to meet and he was loved at Birmingham and i won't have a word said against him......that said Easbourne fans have short memories it seems quite a few moaned about his dominance in the NL last year when with us and he's even better now and are defending him like we had too last year----ironic really! You will never find me or most Brummies fans knocking Adam even though he rides for Eagles now. Are you sure about last year, I don't recall Eastbourne fans moaning about Adam being in the NL. Looked forward to his battle's with Brad, only moan probably was he normally won the dual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Goddard Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Question regarding this meeting...why did Jordan Jenkins ride in the second half but not the main meeting, and is Sam Woods still a Rye House rider and therefore was he a guest, or has he now joined Mildenhall? (I am asking because I will be doing the commentary on the official meeting DVD and want to get the facts as correct as possible.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Jenkins doesn't want an avg. Woods is rye house number 8 therefore can guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Question regarding this meeting...why did Jordan Jenkins ride in the second half but not the main meeting, and is Sam Woods still a Rye House rider and therefore was he a guest, or has he now joined Mildenhall? (I am asking because I will be doing the commentary on the official meeting DVD and want to get the facts as correct as possible.) I am not sure a forum is the best place to get the facts!! No offence to the previous posted, who may well be correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Question regarding this meeting...why did Jordan Jenkins ride in the second half but not the main meeting, and is Sam Woods still a Rye House rider and therefore was he a guest, or has he now joined Mildenhall? (I am asking because I will be doing the commentary on the official meeting DVD and want to get the facts as correct as possible.) Dave I have sent you the current team declarations via Facebook. Hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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