lino wolf Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 So if you going to go by what Holder's last score was, then you have to go by Hans last score was. Can't have it both ways!! Everyone knows Holder was out of form last time he was at Wolves but you and Gavan choose to ignore it cos it doesn't go with your anti-Poole rubbish. Look forward to seeing Coventry in the playoffs. Oh wait.... He was that out of form that he came close to winning the first grand prix of the season 2 days before the wolves/poole a fixture !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Poole finished 4th in 2013 (the year Greg Hancock rode for them) and won the playoffs. Found the fireworks and champagne that year did they? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Of course there is a comparison! Fred has just qualified for the GP's whilst KK not good enough to. KK is having a decent EL season that there is no doubt despite his usual below par performances plus of course missing a 6th of all Bees meetings Freddie has been on a par most of the season but seems to have gone off the boil in the EL the past few weeks. Freddie is one aggressive rider in the GP's too and besides KK's one season of GP brilliance both flatter to deceive on the big stage despite their obvious talent. You always used to say that you only cared about their EL form. Id go with Kk everytime, if as i suspect he is Pooles number one next season i reckon hell be the top rider in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Maybe so but he wasn't riding very well last year due to his best mates injury. A different rider this year and on very good form. Guess we will find out in the playoffs as that result more or less sealed BV for top spot. Unless they fancy taking on Poole or Wolves in the semis I expect us to be back at Monmore shortly, with a stronger team. He also scored 3 on his visit this year. A good performance from a patched up team away again. Nicholls was your top scorer and performed better than the out of form Hans. However Wolves were also weakened by Tai being withdrawn with a wrist injury whilst already struggling with a groin injury. I think we all know he is likely to score a lot more than 4. Lindgren has to be a worry at the moment for Wolves as his scores from the last 4 home meetings have been 6,4,7,5. They will need him scoring double figures. I think this year's play off is very open. Can see any of the 3 teams winning it. I just hope it's done fairly 😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Perhaps Chris Holder is a bit wary on UK tracks? Having had a couple of big accidents, and being injured by a fence as apposed to being hurt from a stray bike....? Might even be at a subconscious level? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 the result last night confirms to me that Poole are favourites for the title, going to a challenging rival with a horses for courses guests and really doing the business. Do we know if Bucks and Holder are riding tomorrow back at the blue groove..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 No comparison between the two. KK a much more aggressive nastier rider when at his best. Last week at Poole it was a masterclass. of brilliance. I totally disagree! You obviously didnt see Lingdrens duels with Holder during the WTC? KK is possibly a more skilled rider than FL, but has nowhere near the amount of bottle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliss44 Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Found the fireworks and champagne that year did they? Don't forget the hot water for the showers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Freddie probably has too much bottle tbh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I totally disagree! You obviously didnt see Lingdrens duels with Holder during the WTC? KK is possibly a more skilled rider than FL, but has nowhere near the amount of bottle! I must admit I agree with this, however over the course of a season I would rather have KK who can be inconsistent but when he's on it, he's on it! Freddie has a bit of a Nicki Pedersen about him and that's something KK doesn't have but it's one of the negative sides to Freddie, however he shows it more in the GP's than anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Pole still favourites for me, due to bottom end and also strategic injuries as and when required. That's a pop at Ford not Poole BTW. Wolves or belle vue could. Otherwise do it though. Glad tai is OK and playoffs promise to be huge this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyeHouseExile Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 At last Jakob is riding a bike instead of a bucking bronco ! Freddy just needs his bike to be a bit faster,he was clearly short of speed on the straights and has been the last few weeks.Also,have they done something to the track ? Track record broken last week and many heats run much quicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Belle vue are the favorites, as the bookies rightly think. 6/4 each of 2 with oddschecker and with nicerodds Poole are favourites. Wolves are 3/1. Poole been favourites all season long that is a fact. Only now are they drifting as they may have to face Wolves in the semis where as Belle Vue will surely beat Swindon. Apparantly according to Poole fans the bookies have been wrong all season so if they make Belle Vue favourites then they must be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Thorsell was excellent last night,fast out of the gate and fast on track, a top performance. Lindgren looked slow until heat 11 when he went through on Newman and wheels touched, Newman seemed annoyed but looked like it was his own fault, he was quick last night though, rode the track very well. The biggest plus for me as a Poole fan was Kurtz, looked quick and up for the battle, if he rides like that for the rest of the season he could be a match winner. Bjarne rode ok but disappointed in him in heat 12, thought we had a good chance of a 5-1. From the Wolves side Howarth rode well but seemed to be out of control at times, Tai was very up and down, seemed to be trying too hard on not his best equipment. P.K rode well in first heat looked below par after that, Masters rode ok 6/4 each of 2 with oddschecker and with nicerodds Poole are favourites. Wolves are 3/1. Poole been favourites all season long that is a fact. Only now are they drifting as they may have to face Wolves in the semis where as Belle Vue will surely beat Swindon. Apparantly according to Poole fans the bookies have been wrong all season so if they make Belle Vue favourites then they must be wrong. Wolves are better than what they showed last night and 3-1 is a great bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 You always used to say that you only cared about their EL form. Id go with Kk everytime, if as i suspect he is Pooles number one next season i reckon hell be the top rider in the league I do care about EL form when you are judging their EL form and KK has edged it in the averages that I don't disagree with. Up until the last month their has been barely 0.20 between them so not a great difference. Also,have they done something to the track ? Track record broken last week and many heats run much quicker. Last week was prepared completely different with more grip to cope with 2 meetings. Last night it was prepared slicker because of weather conditions and one might suppose because of Cradley being on tonight as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Shut up. What are you some kind of Speedway Intelligence Agent? shut your noise pal. Did r/r score more than Holder has done on his last 2 visits? Yes Did Nicholls outscore what Hans would have done? In all possibility yes Would Buck have scored more than Klindt? Yes Did Tai and Freddie only get 10 between them? Yes Did Poole reserves heavily outscore Wolves reserves? Yes So please tell me where the term 'speedway intelligence agency' comes from??? I merely stated the facts of the meeting and due to those facts it was a good chance for Poole to win that meeting. Of course before hand you wouldnt have thought they could have done but the reserves were excellent, Nicholls was superb and Wolves top 2 scored very low. Ellis and Kurtz who have been poor away from home were very solid as well. Wolves can only be stronger if they meet again, Poole will need Holder to get about 10 , and hope the second strings and reserves kep the same score. If you have the 'speedway intelligence' to discuss the meeting then fine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 shut your noise pal. Did r/r score more than Holder has done on his last 2 visits? Yes Did Nicholls outscore what Hans would have done? In all possibility yes Would Buck have scored more than Klindt? Yes Did Tai and Freddie only get 10 between them? Yes Did Poole reserves heavily outscore Wolves reserves? Yes So please tell me where the term 'speedway intelligence agency' comes from??? I merely stated the facts of the meeting and due to those facts it was a good chance for Poole to win that meeting. Of course before hand you wouldnt have thought they could have done but the reserves were excellent, Nicholls was superb and Wolves top 2 scored very low. Ellis and Kurtz who have been poor away from home were very solid as well. Wolves can only be stronger if they meet again, Poole will need Holder to get about 10 , and hope the second strings and reserves kep the same score. If you have the 'speedway intelligence' to discuss the meeting then fine But in Holders previous meeting to those two he got 14 so difficult one to call. Lindgren and Tai are certainly better than what they showed last night. I would say with Holder in the team we are stronger. Our team this year was built as strength in depth and on last night they gave their all and battled for everything which is what you want to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) But in Holders previous meeting to those two he got 14 so difficult one to call. Lindgren and Tai are certainly better than what they showed last night. I would say with Holder in the team we are stronger. Our team this year was built as strength in depth and on last night they gave their all and battled for everything which is what you want to see. Totally perfect response. I hope you realise none of my Poole disgust is ever aimed at yourself your a speedway fan buddy. Holder could have flown round there but even after a decent gp earlier in the season he went to Wolves and was poor. All im trying to get across is that before the meeting Wolves were hot favourites. In the end the changes didnt hamper Poole as proved by the scores. Poole second strings and reserves were flying Wolves top 2 was poor. It ended up being a meeting that Poole could and should have got more from they way it panned out. A couple of falls and it could have been different Edited September 6, 2016 by Gavan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Totally perfect response. I hope you realise none of my Poole disgust is ever aimed at yourself your a speedway fan buddy. Holder could have flown round there but even after a decent gp earlier in the season he went to Wolves and was poor. All im trying to get across is that before the meeting Wolves were hot favourites. In the end the changes didnt hamper Poole as proved by the scores. Poole second strings and reserves were flying Wolves top 2 was poor. It ended up being a meeting that Poole could and should have got more from they way it panned out. A couple of falls and it could have been different Yes your right, Newman's falls were costly as was Bjarne's heat 12 last, if Lindgren had got excluded for touching Newman could have been different and another ref may have seen it differently, same could be said of Howarth pushing Newman very wide but i am not saying the decisions were wrong as i think they were fair calls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Newman wasn't a happy bunny on twitter last night, Middlo tweeted a photo of the broken spokes on Newman's front wheel from where it was hit by Lindgren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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