RobMcCaffery Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Yet plenty of your generation would have consumed alcohol and tobacco, both of which when you look at pretty much any study are considered far more harmful to both user and others than drugs like ecstacy. Obviously no recreational drug is good for you , bit there is a world of difference between say ecstacy and crystal meth. There is one fundamental difference, whether it suits your agenda or not. Alcohol and tobacco are legal, whether you think that's right or not. It's the usual excuse of the user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 For those that may not have read the article by Peter Oakes in this week's Speedway Star, the 'Speedway Control Bureau are ready to step up their testing between now and the end of this season'. This follows 'several anonymous calls to UKAD (UK Anti-Doping) naming at least 3 riders who are suspected of doping'. UKAD immediately contacted SCB Prime Officer Graham Reeve who has already prepared a timetable of testing. 'It is understood that some tests would already have been carried out had the weather not intervened'!!! This is confusing. How come UKAD have delegated the job of drug testing to the SCB? I know that the Speedway Authorities in this country are pretty good at extracting the urine, but I doubt they are qualified to extract blood. According to the UKAD web site, the procedures for carrying out drugs tests are well laid down, and don't seem to be "delegatable". Why say that the weather has interfered with drugs testing? Looking at the press, sports people in other sports (Rio Ferdinand springs to mind) have gotten into trouble for not making their movements known for spot checks to be carried out any time, any place. in theory therefore, a properly organised drugs test could have been done on a rider given only hours notice, with the testers going to where they are, not just waiting in the pits at a rained-off meeting, where they could be conveniently avoided by a mysterious van breakdown, or made-up-injury. This strikes me as being one of two things. Either the story as it's presented here has become distorted from the truth, OR the SCB have made a right hash of their drugs testing by announcing it to the public in terms that don't stack up to reality, showing they up to be a shambles of an organisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 How come UKAD have delegated the job of drug testing to the SCB? I know that the Speedway Authorities in this country are pretty good at extracting the urine, but I doubt they are qualified to extract blood. None of the motor sports federations seem to be listed by UKAD. Could be any number of reasons - they've haven't signed up with UKAD, they're not considered high risk sports in terms of doping by UKAD, or the sports themselves are just too irrelevant for UKAD to expend resources on. UKAD maybe received the tipoffs but hasn't got any authority to test in speedway, so could only pass on the information to the SCB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Probably some sort of adrenalin booster would help, it would remove fear, or most of it... Thats easily available in cold and Flu tablets, what are the parameters for the test, are they testing for recreational drugs, performance enhancing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 Thats easily available in cold and Flu tablets, what are the parameters for the test, are they testing for recreational drugs, performance enhancing? Just about everything... http://www.ukad.org.uk/resources/document/the-prohibited-list-2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney Rabbit Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) None of the motor sports federations seem to be listed by UKAD. Could be any number of reasons - they've haven't signed up with UKAD, they're not considered high risk sports in terms of doping by UKAD, or the sports themselves are just too irrelevant for UKAD to expend resources on. UKAD maybe received the tipoffs but hasn't got any authority to test in speedway, so could only pass on the information to the SCB. Sounds most probable. Then the samples for the tests open to the SCB could be taken by any authorised (not necessarily qualified) sample taker and sent away for analysis. As long as the sample is taken and handled in accordance with laid-down procedure and the paperwork filled in correctly the results would be fine for SCB purposes. There is another, cheaper test available to the SCB, the dip-in-the-sample type carried out on the spot but this will most likely label the previously mentioned poppy seed bagel lover a junkie. Edited September 1, 2016 by Barney Rabbit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 None of the motor sports federations seem to be listed by UKAD. Could be any number of reasons - they've haven't signed up with UKAD, they're not considered high risk sports in terms of doping by UKAD, or the sports themselves are just too irrelevant for UKAD to expend resources on. UKAD maybe received the tipoffs but hasn't got any authority to test in speedway, so could only pass on the information to the SCB. Totally agree, there is more than one way of going about such a programme. As usual uk martin chose two improbable options, for no other reason than to have his usual supercilious pop at either the BSPA or the SCB regardless. i think the small procedure that is, or was planned, got out and now the SCB have come out and outlined their procedure that could not be fully implemented because of the many rainoffs. I don't think there is anything lost by it's early disclosure, as dopers will probably heed the warning and get caught eventually, or give it up during the speedway season. It's really a no lose situation and I hope the test continue for the rest of the year then be evaluated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 It may be a generational thing but I fail to understand why anyone would want to put that filthy stuff into their systems anyway. If you can't have a good time without resorting to using artificial stuff to enjoy life, your life really needs sorting out IMO I'm of the generation (I hope anyway being on 31) where I think most have tried illegal drugs but its never once appealed to me. I've been offered and had a few opportunities to try it but it's not for me. I know numerous freinds who have, I know one of my neighbours dabbles and my answer is always as long as it doesn't effect me I couldn't give a crap what anyone else does. BUT I do understand why they do it. What I don't get is why anyone would smoke, it may be legally but the effects are catastrophic but because they're not so quick or in your face people don't seem to mind. Knowing what we know now I'm not surer why anyone under the age of 30 smokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 I'm of the generation (I hope anyway being on 31) where I think most have tried illegal drugs but its never once appealed to me. I've been offered and had a few opportunities to try it but it's not for me. I know numerous freinds who have, I know one of my neighbours dabbles and my answer is always as long as it doesn't effect me I couldn't give a crap what anyone else does. BUT I do understand why they do it. What I don't get is why anyone would smoke, it may be legally but the effects are catastrophic but because they're not so quick or in your face people don't seem to mind. Knowing what we know now I'm not surer why anyone under the age of 30 smokes. I don't smoke either. I tried it for a while - then I got some sense. You are definitely right though - the effects are catastrophic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 That made me giggle ukm! I was told a few years ago by a rider that they were all issued a list of banned substances at the start of the season and it was quite comprehensive. Any rider with hayfever if stuffed as from memory it included all antihystaminies and the only things you could use was a saline nasal rinse. Its definitely not new, there have been tests done in the past and there have been advisory lists issued to the riders for some time. perhaps its just now that they are accepting they should be testing on more occassions than when they receive a tip off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 This is confusing. How come UKAD have delegated the job of drug testing to the SCB? I know that the Speedway Authorities in this country are pretty good at extracting the urine, but I doubt they are qualified to extract blood. That made me giggle ukm! I was told a few years ago by a rider that they were all issued a list of banned substances at the start of the season and it was quite comprehensive. Any rider with hayfever if stuffed as from memory it included all antihystaminies and the only things you could use was a saline nasal rinse. Its definitely not new, there have been tests done in the past and there have been advisory lists issued to the riders for some time. perhaps its just now that they are accepting they should be testing on more occassions than when they receive a tip off? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) Good to read that over 50 random drug/alcohol tests have been carried out in the last month or so - with not a single positive result!! SCB Co-ordinator Neil Vatcher is keen for the regular testing to continue throughout the seasons. Edited October 7, 2016 by Skidder1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 I need drugs to watch half the cack they put on sky! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Good to read that over 50 random drug/alcohol tests have been carried out in the last month or so - with not a single positive result!! SCB Co-ordinator Neil Vatcher is keen for the regular testing to continue throughout the seasons. Yeah, because those on drugs stopped/got injured/quit/were sacked when it was announced they were going to do tests! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 No drugs in speedway... that's another reason I ain't interested anymore.... man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 (edited) any rider or fan who thinks the testing just takes place at the track are in for a shock, the testers have the right to test you anywhere at anytime, I know of a sportsman who they visited at his home.Kalle Palander once had to get out of bed to open the door for the testers, still having a boner. Edited October 7, 2016 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Kalle Palander once had to get out of bed to open the door for the testers, still having a boner. Which drug was he taking then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Kalle Palander once had to get out of bed to open the door for the testers, still having a boner. is that bonerfide information? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Which drug was he taking then?Probably the blue one! I read it in a Finnish daily paper, wasn't there... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted October 7, 2016 Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 Which drug was he taking then? All they found was a copy of Razzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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