Tsunami Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Not so sure why we need two Brits, apart from Woffinden there isn't another credible alternative, maybe Lambert one day will be good enough but as today shows he is a long way from mixing it against these sorts of riders. Stonehewer and ...... Stachman and Zetterstrom ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Stachman and Zetterstrom ? Staechman certainly took part in the first series of SGP in 95, and I guess could have been riding for Long Eaton so you could well be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 The reserves for the season used to come from the GP challenge but they are now selected. There is no guarantee that Bjerre will be on the reserves list despite finishing 4th today. That's correct - http://www.fim-live.com/en/library/download/57331/no_cache/1/ (see Page 25 of the regulations). If Freddie Lindgren finishes in the top 8 for 2016 then Kenneth Bjerre would step up into the 2017 series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 We do need two Brits in the series. Just who, is the issue. Obviously your favorite rider Tai Woffinden and B B B B B B Bomber ! What an excellent opportunity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Britain should have two riders in the comp minimum, so give Lambert a wild card in place of Harris if he fails to qualify. Lambert won't be in the GP in 2017. After todays result he has stated that he's not at that level yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 You're going to have to put me out of my misery. I can't think who the other is If you accept that the Premier League is equivalent to its predecessors (BL2 etc) then Long Eaton's Jan Steachmann came 10th in the 1994 World Final and as a result qualified for the 1995 Grand Prix series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 If you accept that the Premier League is equivalent to its predecessors (BL2 etc) then Long Eaton's Jan Steachmann came 10th in the 1994 World Final and as a result qualified for the 1995 Grand Prix series. But if we're going down that route and assume the World Final was the precursor to the SGP then a number of second division riders have raced in the World Championship finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Disappointing for Robert but he never had a hope today on a gater's track. Has to look at it as an invaluable experience and build on it for next year, still has plenty of time on his side BUT has to learn to make starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 But if we're going down that route and assume the World Final was the precursor to the SGP then a number of second division riders have raced in the World Championship finals And one won it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 And one won it. Now I know who that was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Marky is correct. Riders placed 4-6 in the GP challenge are used in order, if more riders are needed then BIS/FIM can select anyone they want. This is the second time in a row that Lindgren finished top 3 in the GP challenge on this track. Thought the last time he finished in top 3 was Voyens but will stand to be corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 (edited) Peter Ljung claims that the draw was fixed so that FIM/BSI could get the riders they want in the SGP. PL says that it is the fourth challenge in a row that he gets an outside gate. He also says that it is no coincident that Vaculik was "drawn" as nr 5, he finds it strange that one of the wild cards who were knocked out in the semi then gets the best draw number in the final. http://www.vetlandaposten.se/article/ljung-kritisk-till-lottningen/ Thought the last time he finished in top 3 was Voyens but will stand to be corrected No you are correct. I remembered it wrong. It was Lindbäck and not Lindgren who won in Vetlanda 2011. http://www.vetlandaposten.se/article/ljung-kritisk-till-lottningen/ Edited September 3, 2016 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Sore Loser or does he have a point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Sore Loser or does he have a point?[/quote Sore loser and glad he didn't qualify would have contributed nothing,same as Bjerre] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 (edited) Peter Ljung claims that the draw was fixed so that FIM/BSI could get the riders they want in the SGP. PL says that it is the fourth challenge in a row that he gets an outside gate. He also says that it is no coincident that Vaculik was "drawn" as nr 5, he finds it strange that one of the wild cards who were knocked out in the semi then gets the best draw number in the final. http://www.vetlandaposten.se/article/ljung-kritisk-till-lottningen/ No you are correct. I remembered it wrong. It was Lindbäck and not Lindgren who won in Vetlanda 2011. http://www.vetlandaposten.se/article/ljung-kritisk-till-lottningen/ Sounds like a poor loser to me.First this interview seems like it was an after meeting one.If it was a statement from before the meeting then ok But by looking at past GP Challenges then the no.5 doesn't seem to be a great draw 2016 Covatti 10th 2015 Hans finished 10th 2014 Lahti finished 15th 2013 Smoli finished 11th 2012 Ulamek 8th 2011 Zetters 5th...... think i am a year out with those.... Edited September 3, 2016 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Lambert won't be in the GP in 2017. After todays result he has stated that he's not at that level yet. The result speaks for itself. It didn't need stating again. 16th out of 16 for the rider who will be the fulcrum of Team GB in the SWC next year. Oh dear. Now we can see why Woofy wanted more international experience for British youngsters. There's more to world speedway than just British (and in Lambert's case - German) tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Sounds like a poor loser to me.First this interview seems like it was an after meeting one.If it was a statement from before the meeting then ok But by looking at past GP Challenges then the no.5 doesn't seem to be a great draw 2016 Covatti 10th 2015 Hans finished 10th 2014 Lahti finished 15th 2013 Smoli finished 11th 2012 Ulamek 8th 2011 Zetters 5th...... think i am a year out with those.... Nothing to do with the number more to do with the quality of the rider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Yeah but those aren't very good riders. It also depends on the track. Vetlanda is exclusively a gating track. And an outside gate early is very likely to mean 0p and is in general very unfavourable . Unless you are super gater or have superfast bikes. I can agree on that he sounds like a poor looser but I also think that have valid points about the draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 (edited) Nothing to do with the number more to do with the quality of the rider But if we follow Ljungs way of thinking then there would always be a decent rider at no.5 so BSI get who they want.Doesn't seem that was the case in previous years.As for quality of rider,didn't Smoli get through the next year and then win a GP in NZ after that? Edited September 3, 2016 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Sore Loser or does he have a point? The gates did fall very nicely for Dudek who had two reds in his last two rides. Would have probably have qualified anyway though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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