*JJ Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 does that inpact on performance at all ? reducing the gasses leaving will surely make an impact on performance. ? The one which I bought was for a MDL rider; at that level they don't notice some difference in performance! The point is, that the latest silencers replaced the disliked 2010 type, which were very restrictive and led to overheating for those riders who really thrash the engine. (Which is why Harris and others couldn't get on with them). We had a Prodrive silencer before, which didn't do this, but was much better-made than the King type and so was much more expensive and therefore not bought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I think many things have changed in the past 6 years since the introduction of the silencers including super short stroke engines and slicker tracks to suit them none of which is going to suit a rider who likes to blast around the outside in the deep dirt to make up for his poor gating. But I read that statement as a rider being critical of himself for not adapting to suit the changes over time. He also recognises that some others have adapted very well while others have struggled for consistency. Can't see how he is blaming anything but himself and saying when he thought his problems began and why. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 And in any case, he can hardly use the 2010 silencer as an excuse now. They were discarded two years ago! The present silencer - at least the King version - is basically the same as the pre-2010 model, but with a washer to reduce the intenal passage a bit. that washer even in the modified version of the King silencer makes a total difference in the bikes power/ performance What all this does show is the wider issue that speedway is hurtling down an exclusive tuning based only sport road like F1 where the riders don't matter and it's all about the engine , speedway has never been that type of sport and it will kill it off completely if it continues on this path 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 that washer even in the modified version of the King silencer makes a total difference in the bikes power/ performance What all this does show is the wider issue that speedway is hurtling down an exclusive tuning based only sport road like F1 where the riders don't matter and it's all about the engine , speedway has never been that type of sport and it will kill it off completely if it continues on this path It pretty much has already and the doctored tracks of today are contributing to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 (edited) I'm a huge fan of Bomber. Obviously a very nice lad, good rider, genuine World Class a few years back and can never be faulted for effort and entertainment. However what I find incomprehensible, is that he puts all this effort in to staying in the GPs and then does little to no testing or preparation in the winter pre season. All the other riders announce what they are doing and Bomber goes into GP 1 every season saying he's struggling with his set up. Mind blowing to me. Edited August 25, 2016 by RPNYC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 25, 2016 Report Share Posted August 25, 2016 I'm a huge fan of Bomber. Obviously a very nice lad, good rider, genuine World Class a few years back and can never be faulted for effort and entertainment. However what I find incomprehensible, is that he puts all this effort in to staying in the GPs and then does little to no testing or preparation in the winter pre season. All the other riders announce what they are doing and Bomber goes into GP 1 every season saying he's struggling with his set up. Mind blowing to me. PROBLEM is that Bomber more often than not surrounds himself with people who at best are not the greatest when it comes to working out what set-ups he needs but, in fairness, it isn't easy because he often cannot really tell them what he needs in the manner of, say, Greg Hancock. Continually switching from one tuner to another, as he and others (notably Andreas Jonsson) do is never the answer. But the real bottom line is that more often than not Bomber drops the clutch long after his opponents and at SGP levels that is a massive handicap for any rider. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Thing that gets me is that in the uk chris can beat anyone at any track,but on his travels he just doesnt seem to mix it with the top guys,so maybe it might be down to travel arrangements,but most importantly mind set.Does he approach a GP in the right frame of mind? Ive seen Chris punch the air with delight thats hes actually won a GP heat!!! In my mind its nothing to do with anything else other then being prepared correctly and beleif and focus about dropping the clutch at the right time.On a side note does anyone know if Chris uses he uk bikes for GPs or are they the ones he uses in Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I'm a huge fan of Bomber. Obviously a very nice lad, good rider, genuine World Class a few years back and can never be faulted for effort and entertainment. However what I find incomprehensible, is that he puts all this effort in to staying in the GPs and then does little to no testing or preparation in the winter pre season. All the other riders announce what they are doing and Bomber goes into GP 1 every season saying he's struggling with his set up. Mind blowing to me. Who says Bomber doesn't do much testing pre season. I know before this season he went to Poland, Germany (I think) and certainly did some testing sessions at Peterborough. He usually does a lot of early season individual events to. He had to stop for a couple weeks before the season started as he had to have a minor operation but to say he doesn't do much testing is laughable. Thing that gets me is that in the uk chris can beat anyone at any track,but on his travels he just doesnt seem to mix it with the top guys,so maybe it might be down to travel arrangements,but most importantly mind set.Does he approach a GP in the right frame of mind? Ive seen Chris punch the air with delight thats hes actually won a GP heat!!! In my mind its nothing to do with anything else other then being prepared correctly and beleif and focus about dropping the clutch at the right time.On a side note does anyone know if Chris uses he uk bikes for GPs or are they the ones he uses in Europe? I believe they are now all in the UK as he hasn't rode much in Poland this season hence he has to miss riding for Coventry tonight while KK still can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I dont know maybe cause he never turned his back on teamGB or the Elite League? Im just guessing. Are you suggesting he had other options?! Quite frankly you're either suggesting that Bomber was a superstar in the making and that Team GB has evidently held him back (in which case Woffy has made a wise choice!), or that Team GB should be grateful for anything they can get. Our hero... the inelegant and poorly performing Chris 'Bomber' Harris. He's like the Mo Farah of our sport, except it's as if he's trying to do it in high heels. The Tories gained power 6 years ago and I have been struggling to come to terms with it since. I've been a wreck. I can't do my job properly anymore but I still turn up every week for a pay check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Thing that gets me is that in the uk chris can beat anyone at any track,but on his travels he just doesnt seem to mix it with the top guys,so maybe it might be down to travel arrangements,but most importantly mind set. Does he approach a GP in the right frame of mind? Ive seen Chris punch the air with delight thats hes actually won a GP heat!!! In my mind its nothing to do with anything else other then being prepared correctly and beleif and focus about dropping the clutch at the right time.On a side note does anyone know if Chris uses he uk bikes for GPs or are they the ones he uses in Europe? I think most riders who rides in the UK as well as in Sweden/Denmark/Poland have different sets of bikes/engines/equipment for UK and the other countries since it is very difficult to get your equipment from a meeting in the UK on a Monday evening to i.e. Sweden less then 24 hours later (the same for Poland-UK Sunday->Monday). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntFaceMan Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 I think most riders who rides in the UK as well as in Sweden/Denmark/Poland have different sets of bikes/engines/equipment for UK and the other countries since it is very difficult to get your equipment from a meeting in the UK on a Monday evening to i.e. Sweden less then 24 hours later (the same for Poland-UK Sunday->Monday). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Where did the graph come from!!!! Gating is massively important now, more than ever before, the tracks are usually super slick, the bikes get up to their top speed much quicker, so if you're 10-15 yards behind in the first corner, your bike has got to be quicker than the riders in front, just to catch um up, let alone past them.... I also think that speedway is as fast as it can get now... Riders now rule the sport, tracks should never be modified/prepared for at riders request.. Each track should be different, in grip levels, banking, subtle shape differences, different shales, depths, etc. And the riders should be made to adapt to each and every track, every time.... Then rocket ships wouldn't always be winning on slick, soulless ovals. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted August 26, 2016 Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 Where did the graph come from!!!! Sadly, it is only too true, as Birmingham discovered in their three years in the Elite League! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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