damosuzuki Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) I'd be inclined to think assume the issue is with penalty payments forthcoming for the track debacle. EL teams only have 14 home meetings and Belle Vue have had huge crowds at least 4 times. The last Poole meeting being an example. One thing I do wonder about is sponsorship - the stadium always looks very bare and there don't seem to be many advertising banners about the place(?). Also they are terrible at answering emails which is poor. Edited September 8, 2016 by damosuzuki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 They can't survive on crowds like tonight that's for sure. Less than 680 advanced tickets when I looked this afternoon is the lowest of the season. Money in the bank has to be the priority so hopefully Poole don't pick the world champion despite their easy aggregate wins over his team this year. Can't be surprising you get a low crowd when the worst team in the league is in town. Monday should be a bumper payday as will the playoffs whether your against Wolves and Tai or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 I hope so. Mort told me they were disappointed with last years turn out. I think the play offs need a rethink as what we end up paying Paul no way matches what we robbed off Peter earlier in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 Shame that Belle Vue won't be at full strength against Poole. No Fricke again so it's Paddy guesting and RR for Nicholls. Great chance for Poole to get something away now Hence another poor turn out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenspoon Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 Only now are BV launching a poster campaign, in which fans can get free ? posters from the club, and put them up around their locality, with a prize for the best effort. I cannot see BV beating Poole on aggregate scores over two legs, perhaps next weeks home meetings with Poole & Swindon could give an indication of which would be our best bet in the semi finals. We might not of course finish top which would mean we have no say in the matter. Wolves would be our best financial meeting in the semis. I still cannot believe that Kings Lynn beat us at home after seeing their performance at Poole last night. We can ill afford another performance like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 I'd prefer that anyway as Poole will probably pick Swindon or Lakeside which leaves us with the plum tie of the knockout bit against the world champion and anything after that is just a bonus with the rent paid for yet another in one night. If you are so worried about paying the rent now then you do have a problem. Wait untill the honeymoon period is over end of this season !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 I've no idea how long you've been watching speedway or if you know what happens to attendances in a traditional league championship race? As you get nearer to the end of the season crowds used to get bigger and bigger as each meeting seemed to be more important as far as the title was concerned, and it didn't matter who the opposition was, even if it was the 'worst team in the league' visiting. I do like referring back to 1993 for obvious reasons but this is also a perfect example. One of our last home meetings that season (it could have been 3rd last like Leicester last night?) we raced Cradley who were I think bottom of the league (or very near) yet it was one of, if not the, biggest home crowds of the season and I'm pretty sure we didn't even have a full team as we were hit hard with injuries that season as well! This season our 3rd to last home meeting was probably our LOWEST of the season? Almost identical circumstances yet we've got one of the biggest crowds v one of the lowest crowds of the season? When I say 'almost identical' there is a crucial difference isn't there? That is a very good point, we have to grab every penny while we can. That is because they didn't have the play offs to look forward to and some people save their money for the big meetings these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/speedway-dogs-life-at-the-home-of-speed-aces-guy-hodgson-examines-the-plight-of-belle-vue-and-a-1397375.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/speedway-dogs-life-at-the-home-of-speed-aces-guy-hodgson-examines-the-plight-of-belle-vue-and-a-1397375.html You know, I thought that things were better then, but actually, they really weren't, were they....? An all to familiar situation.. Speedway is a very poor student.. Never learns from its mistakes. Speedway needs to die, it needs the life support machine switching off, and then, well, start again. Edited September 8, 2016 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 It must be difficult for BV as they are so many different sports around the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 Remember it well! Hard to believe it got worse, a lot worse in fact. Talking of worse, I've just looked at the ticket website for Monday and it's only just over 500 taken! I've seen more advanced sales for Colts meetings! I think squashing 6 Aces and 2 Colts meetings in 3 weeks when there is well over another month of the season to go is a mistake. Its not, like most fans today you pick your meetings. Fans today cannot afford it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) Remember it well! Hard to believe it got worse, a lot worse in fact. Talking of worse, I've just looked at the ticket website for Monday and it's only just over 500 taken! I've seen more advanced sales for Colts meetings! I think squashing 6 Aces and 2 Colts meetings in 3 weeks when there is well over another month of the season to go is a mistake. There's plenty of time for ticket sales between now and monday night. Maybe getting the track sorted before the season started may have helped Edited September 8, 2016 by foreverblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 There's plenty of time for ticket sales between now and monday night. Maybe getting the track sorted before the season started may have helped It will be nothing to do with that mate. You can never change a leapards spots, look at there crowds in the old stadium... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) It must be difficult for BV as they are so many different sports around the area. I don't think that has got anything to do with it. 2.5 million people live in the area. 30,000 got to old trafford, 40,000 got to Etihad. (the other 40,000 that make up old trafford are out of towners) So lets say 110,000 out of 2.5 million. Not many is it. You have the rugby and small football clubs but not everyone likes football. There's a massive opportunity to get just 6000 inside Belle Vue. But when was the last time Belle Vue actually had a promoter who promoted? Remember it well! Hard to believe it got worse, a lot worse in fact. Talking of worse, I've just looked at the ticket website for Monday and it's only just over 500 taken! I've seen more advanced sales for Colts meetings! I think squashing 6 Aces and 2 Colts meetings in 3 weeks when there is well over another month of the season to go is a mistake. If they thought the crowd was going to be small why didn't they run a discount promotion? 500 @ £17 is £8500. Not enough to cover anything. 1500 @ £10 is 15000. Plus the Sky money. Posters out stating a discount and to bring a friend etc. Edited September 8, 2016 by Steve Shovlar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 I don't think that has got anything to do with it. 2.5 million people live in the area. 30,000 got to old trafford, 40,000 got to Etihad. (the other 40,000 that make up old trafford are out of towners) So lets say 110,000 out of 2.5 million. Not many is it. You have the rugby and small football clubs but not everyone likes football. There's a massive opportunity to get just 6000 inside Belle Vue. But when was the last time Belle Vue actually had a promoter who promoted? If they thought the crowd was going to be small why didn't they run a discount promotion? 500 @ £17 is £8500. Not enough to cover anything. 1500 @ £10 is 15000. Plus the Sky money. Posters out stating a discount and to bring a friend etc. That seems to be the problem with quite a few promoters, they do not properly promote the sport when ever possible. The above example is good plus clubs ought to give massive discounts or even free tickets to schools during the holiday period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/speedway-dogs-life-at-the-home-of-speed-aces-guy-hodgson-examines-the-plight-of-belle-vue-and-a-1397375.html "Stuart Giles, Belle Vue's Commercial Manager" - now there was an oxymoron if ever there was. Sadly, BV has drifted along the path of commercial/marketing mediocrity over the past 22 years since this article was published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) Offering discounts to get people in only treats the symptoms of the problem rather than the cause. The answer is staring everyone in the face and you only have to look at the cup final to realise fans will turn out if there is something worthwhile at stake. Had last night mattered the crowd would have been double, if Monday was going to matter the crowd would have been bigger than the last Poole visit which was (despite the rubbish promotion) probably the biggest league gate of the season at any track in the country. It will be the same against Swindon on another night that would have been massive. Add in that apparently fans don't bother with qualifiers because they are saving money and it's even worse than I thought! The playoffs have been the best thing to happen to speedway in many years. Whilst Bv, Poole and Wolves might have kept their crowds up , Swindon and Lakeside would have been also rans and crowds would have dropped at these venues. A team at the top always has big crowds, as Poole have. It runs completely against the trend for BV to get tiny crowds when top of the league. Something is going on here which is seriously wrong. A new stadium, a top of the table team and no crowd. Ridiculous. Put that stadium in Poole and that grandstand would be heaving every week. We would love Wimborne Road be developed into something like BV but the fans still turn up here in our dilapidated stadium. I hope BV get a new promotion this winter. They can't do a worse job that the current people in charge. Edited September 8, 2016 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 Offering discounts to get people in only treats the symptoms of the problem rather than the cause. The answer is staring everyone in the face and you only have to look at the cup final to realise fans will turn out if there is something worthwhile at stake. Had last night mattered the crowd would have been double, if Monday was going to matter the crowd would have been bigger than the last Poole visit which was (despite the rubbish promotion) probably the biggest league gate of the season at any track in the country. It will be the same against Swindon on another night that would have been massive. Add in that apparently fans don't bother with qualifiers because they are saving money and it's even worse than I thought! Yet again you make the same mistake every time ..not every season is like this one ...many times a team runaway with the league so hardly any matches would be worthwhile under the old league season ..until you understand and factor that in you view is pointless . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 The playoffs have been the best thing to happen to speedway in many years. Whilst Bv, Poole and Wolves might have kept their crowds up , Swindon and Lakeside would have been also rans and crowds would have dropped at these venues. A team at the top always has big crowds, as Poole have. It runs completely against the trend for BV to get tiny crowds when top of the league. Something is going on here which is seriously wrong. A new stadium, a top of the table team and no crowd. Ridiculous. Put that stadium in Poole and that grandstand would be heaving every week. We would love Wimborne Road be developed into something like BV but the fans still turn up here in our dilapidated stadium. I hope BV get a new promotion this winter. They can't do a worse job that the current people in charge. They'l need to get as much rent paid as soon as they can, because next season it will be back to the Status Quo... "Stuart Giles, Belle Vue's Commercial Manager" - now there was an oxymoron if ever there was. Sadly, BV has drifted along the path of commercial/marketing mediocrity over the past 22 years since this article was published. Problem is mate there is so much more for people to do nowadays compared to the 60-70's, and that applies everywhere.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) It must be difficult for BV as they are so many different sports around the area.Same in other cities. Greater Manchester has a huge population though compared to others. Edited September 8, 2016 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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