BWitcher Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 He has rode in WTC before therefore he should know what the money situation was ,and if had changed surely he would have been informed! Precisely.. which makes me question the validity of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 I don't know if the reason SS gave is the truth, but are we expected to believe that ALL the riders did not know the payment arrangements before riding. Therefore Tai would have known he would receive 25% and not a penny more, which IMO is fair, after all you ride as a TEAM, you are riding for your nation. It's not the same as league racing where you get points money. If he doesn't like the pay arrangements, it's his perogative not to ride for that amount but I can understand why he wouldn't want the general public to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Steve does say 'prize money' not points money or earnings. So do they get points money as well? If so, he'd have got his correct share of that. The team came second, the prize for second place should be shared out equally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 They get prize money not points money. The equal divi has been this way for a long time, going back to the days of Screen, Louis, Loram etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Steve does say 'prize money' not points money or earnings. So do they get points money as well? If so, he'd have got his correct share of that. The team came second, the prize for second place should be shared out equally. Points money and prize money are different but what other demands was TW not happy about ? Appearance money,Image rights,travel expenses, start money ? He will make money from the TW training schools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Blachshadow Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 They get prize money not points money. The equal divi has been this way for a long time, going back to the days of Screen, Louis, Loram etc. OK, but I asked because I was told by a rider that they do, or did, it was some time ago, get points money of sorts too - nowhere near what they ride for in leagues - otherwise what would stop a rider (when his team is definitely in fourth place for instance) tootling around at the back if it makes no difference to anything. That was some time ago though, and he wasn't a Brit so could have no bearing on Team GB today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Midland Red - I have quoted my Post for you. Please read the highlighted part carefully. No need for the red pen - I did read it carefully! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Team GB have been paid the same for years and this year was no different. Tai knew the pay deal and hasnt moaned about it once according to my source. He hasnt quit Team GB due to the payments at the world cup but for other reasons including the lack of support for training schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Very good Riders they were too - but crucially, in the pantheon of Speedway Riders - not great. You cannot compare any of those Riders I have highlighted with the true 'greats' of our Sport. Look at their records - and - then look at Tai's record. His TWO World Championships alone give him a right to be among Speedway's 'GREATS'. To say anything else is denying the obvious. Now you read carefully what I posted : I was comparing rider v rider in terms of riding ability, and excluding the quality of machinery available to or used by the riders Perhaps on better machinery, riding ability is less of a requirement to win championships than on some of the lawnmowers used by other riders? Neither was it a comparison of medals won, simply who were possibly better riders than Tai Certainly he deserves to be mentioned alongside those mentioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Points money and prize money are different but what other demands was TW not happy about ? Appearance money,Image rights,travel expenses, start money ? He will make money from the TW training schools Keep up sweet cheeks, there was no help in setting up the training schools. I have been told that he requested a number of tracks to help and one in particular wanted to have ride and slide days as they call them rather than do the training schools. He had no help from the powers that be. Tai couldnt possibly be at every training school and help in setting them up and running them wasnt forthcoming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Keep up sweet cheeks, there was no help in setting up the training schools. I have been told that he requested a number of tracks to help and one in particular wanted to have ride and slide days as they call them rather than do the training schools. He had no help from the powers that be. Tai couldnt possibly be at every training school and help in setting them up and running them wasnt forthcoming Full of weak excuses as he could hire a track and run a training school the same as many other riders have in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Tai couldnt possibly be at every training school So if he couldn't be at every training school, how would they be any different to a training school run by anyone else, most of whom as I understand are actually in attendance 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Full of weak excuses as he could hire a track and run a training school the same as many other riders have in the past. Hello Mcfly!! He tried to hire some tracks and didnt get help. The authoritys wouldnt offer help either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 The reason Woffinden hasn't mentioned the reason why he has quit teamgb is because it might not make him look very good. I was told the exact reason on Monday from a reliable source who I will not disclose, so some on here will not want to believe this and it is their perogative. Woffinden was very unhappy with only receiving 25% of the prize money TeamGB won for coming second. The prize money has always been split evenly betwen the riders. They ride as a team, and get the rewards as a team. But Woffinden wanted nearly 60% of the prize money, with the other 40% devided up between the other three riders. His argument was that he had scored 19 points, therefore he was entitled to a percentage equivelent to that out of 32 points. (Just short of 60%) He was told that was not how it was done, and that all riders get the same, but he wouldn't have it. So there you go. There are plenty of peole who think I am a dick. Water off a dicks back. I don't know Hagonshocker any more than I know you. Was harsh from me sorry Steve,and you are not a nasty chap just passionate about your club nothing wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 The reason Woffinden hasn't mentioned the reason why he has quit teamgb is because it might not make him look very good. I was told the exact reason on Monday from a reliable source who I will not disclose, so some on here will not want to believe this and it is their perogative. Woffinden was very unhappy with only receiving 25% of the prize money TeamGB won for coming second. The prize money has always been split evenly betwen the riders. They ride as a team, and get the rewards as a team. But Woffinden wanted nearly 60% of the prize money, with the other 40% devided up between the other three riders. His argument was that he had scored 19 points, therefore he was entitled to a percentage equivelent to that out of 32 points. (Just short of 60%) He was told that was not how it was done, and that all riders get the same, but he wouldn't have it. So there you go. . Why am I not surprised! I hope Rosco (or whoever he spoke to about it) told him where to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) To be fair, IF that has any credibility (and I have my doubts), has Tai not got a point? That's all I will say as most on here won't be able to discuss it further without resorting to childish nonsense or abuse. Tai should get the same as everybody else. Simple as. What he gets at Wolves is entirely up to them. Edited August 31, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 The reason Woffinden hasn't mentioned the reason why he has quit teamgb is because it might not make him look very good. I was told the exact reason on Monday from a reliable source who I will not disclose, so some on here will not want to believe this and it is their perogative. Woffinden was very unhappy with only receiving 25% of the prize money TeamGB won for coming second. The prize money has always been split evenly betwen the riders. They ride as a team, and get the rewards as a team. But Woffinden wanted nearly 60% of the prize money, with the other 40% devided up between the other three riders. His argument was that he had scored 19 points, therefore he was entitled to a percentage equivelent to that out of 32 points. (Just short of 60%) He was told that was not how it was done, and that all riders get the same, but he wouldn't have it. So there you go. So he won't ride for Team GB because he is being greedy.....Not surprised at all. Still Team Australia can't even get get there own national federation to back them, so good luck to him next year!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Why am I not surprised! I hope Rosco (or whoever he spoke to about it) told him where to go. So because Steve Shovlar tells us it has to be correct. For me the jury is still out and we are none the wiser as to what happened or has happened. Steve says he has it from reliable source but won't reveal his source. That means one of two things. (1) His source has told him in good faith, but does not want to be public associated, in which no matter how much Steve wants or feels that we should be told he should not reveal it on a public forum. (2) He is telling stories. I suppose it depends who or what you want to believe, but for me we still have not got to the bottom of whole episode. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 (edited) So because Steve Shovlar tells us it has to be correct. For me the jury is still out and we are none the wiser as to what happened or has happened. Steve says he has it from reliable source but won't reveal his source. That means one of two things. (1) His source has told him in good faith, but does not want to be public associated, in which no matter how much Steve wants or feels that we should be told he should not reveal it on a public forum. (2) He is telling stories. I suppose it depends who or what you want to believe, but for me we still have not got to the bottom of whole episode. Why should steve divulge his reliable source? Edited August 31, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 So because Steve Shovlar tells us it has to be correct. For me the jury is still out and we are none the wiser as to what happened or has happened. Steve says he has it from reliable source but won't reveal his source. That means one of two things. (1) His source has told him in good faith, but does not want to be public associated, in which no matter how much Steve wants or feels that we should be told he should not reveal it on a public forum. (2) He is telling stories. I suppose it depends who or what you want to believe, but for me we still have not got to the bottom of whole episode. It could also be that the reliable source thought the public deserved to know the truth but couldn't say it himself because of his connections/associations but by telling SS hoped the truth would get out and trusted SS enough to know his identity would be protected. It wouldn't be the first time rides/promoters/managers have put something into the public domain without revealing the source. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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