Steve Shovlar Posted August 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 I stick by my point of view. Club first and foremost. The two bit SEC is a worthless event in the scheme of things. The league is not. Whilst Kurtz is representing his country, The other is no more than a glorified individual meeting for a Polish TV channel. As captain Hans should be at Leicester leading Poole from the front, making sure everyone is giving their all to the cause of toppling Belle Vue at the top of the league. Its not the gp challenge, its not the Danish Final. If we lose next Saturday by a couple of points and Hans rides raise only 3-4 points, we know where the blame lies. He should do the right thing and withdraw from the SEC. That is an awful opinion in my book. How can you be a fan when you want the captain and highest averaged rider of your speedway team to be fired for riding in a individual meeting which is as good as a Grand Prix to him. I don't know many fans of any club who would to be honest and I can't believe most Poole fans will share that opinion. Hans is a very humble man and didn't he begin his career with Poole. That is very harsh. Of course its a harsh point of view. Hans is Poole Captain. A Captains job is to be leader in the pits making sure the other riders are OK, passing on track information, gearing info etc. Making sure we pick up points where we can.........oh hang on he's not there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 You are correct. I thought I'd remembered a reference to doubling-up 2nd strings in the rules but it doesn't seem so!! The relevant rule is: 17.6.1 If a rider is representing their FMN in an FIM Speedway Championship, irrespective of the rider’s MA, a choice of Guest or Absent Rider Replacement facility (if permitted by Art 17.6) is available. So - yes Poole can have a guest as BK is on FIM duty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 The relevant rule is: 17.6.1 If a rider is representing their FMN in an FIM Speedway Championship, irrespective of the rider’s MA, a choice of Guest or Absent Rider Replacement facility (if permitted by Art 17.6) is available. So - yes Poole can have a guest as BK is on FIM duty Now Andersen is not riding I think we will have to find a decent replacement for Brady. To go r/r will leave us extremely weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted August 14, 2016 Report Share Posted August 14, 2016 Was at Coventry today for the NL 4's, Ellis was taken out and blew an engine. Expensive and painful day for the lad, I hope he's ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Hans is self employed so he can decide when and where he rides. If he was not doing well Matt would not give a second thought to getting rid of him, well it works both ways. Anyway Poole could win at Leicester with a NL rider in his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Hans was signed knowing he was due to ride the sec and it is an important championship for him. Dont blame Hans at all, blame Matt Ford for agreeing the date. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Perhaps I ws over the top saying he should be sacked. But very disappointed when there are 4 very important points to be gained and we are doing everything in our power to not get them. Really on this I believe occasion he should put the team before personal glory. If it was a meaningless fixture then fair enough but its not. Belle Vue must be laughing all the way to an untroubled top spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 The relevant rule is: 17.6.1 If a rider is representing their FMN in an FIM Speedway Championship, irrespective of the rider’s MA, a choice of Guest or Absent Rider Replacement facility (if permitted by Art 17.6) is available. So - yes Poole can have a guest as BK is on FIM duty Yes I saw that but when I read 'if permitted by Art 17.6', then I interpreted that as being only r/r as not both 2nd strings are missing.?! That's the trouble with any rule that could be interpreted in different ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Yes I saw that but when I read 'if permitted by Art 17.6', then I interpreted that as being only r/r as not both 2nd strings are missing.?! That's the trouble with any rule that could be interpreted in different ways. I read it as R/R or a guest is available for a second string. The "if permitted bit" just means you can't use R/R for a reserve. I think! It's one of the poorly written rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Theyve not been paid for about 10 weeks now if rumours are true. Any decent sport would allow rider not being paid to leave and find new clubs if they wished. What is the average length of time riders have to await payment from their club?I heard that one of the reasons (maybe the main reason) Jason Doyle was happy at Leicester for almost two seasons,was that he got paid on time. So what's happened to turn a club which was paying riders "on time" into this situation? Or was it only Doyle who was being paid on time? Maybe that's the reason Leicester in the EL have had so many riders who leave after a short time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 10 weeks without pay seriously? Leicester going bust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 If Hans is missing over some two bit tournament. Matt Ford should sack him from the team. Four points at Leicester is far more important to the club and fans and promoter who pays his wages. Glory hunting in an event with little meaning is unacceptable to Most Poole fans. Without him will be struggling to get a point. Its quite clear in my book. We are chasing Belle Vue for top spot. Far more important for Hans to be in Leicester and being part of a team than gallavanting off to Russia for some minor personal glory which means jack sh*te to nearly everyone. And he is only an also ran anyway. You really need to STOP making statements such as this! Your posts are your opinion and ONLY your opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 You really need to STOP making statements such as this! Your posts are your opinion and ONLY your opinion. When he says that its only him that finds it unacceptable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 You really need to STOP making statements such as this! Your posts are your opinion and ONLY your opinion. Read my post. I didn't say all Poole fans. You and a few others in a minority clearly don't agree, but ask a random 100 Poole fans if they are happy that Hans Andersen is missing for Poole on Saturday at Leicester and you would struggle to find many that would be agreeing with you. If you think Hans missing for Poole on Saturday is absolutely fine, then you are one strange supporter of Poole. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 Im with Shovvy on this. Rider buggering off to ride in a pointless tournament that they're not going to win is a kick in the teeth to the fans that pay their wages every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 I actually agree with you Steve - its a less than perfect situation for our skipper. But I guess at least he'll be guaranteed payment for his efforts in Togliatti!! :-) ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 (edited) Im with Shovvy on this. Rider buggering off to ride in a pointless tournament that they're not going to win is a kick in the teeth to the fans that pay their wages every week. I actually agree with you Steve - its a less than perfect situation for our skipper. But I guess at least he'll be guaranteed payment for his efforts in Togliatti!! :-) ;-)He would have got paid riding on Saturday for Poole, with a lot less travelling. It's not as though Hans has a massive personal following on the individual front. His fan base comes from the clubs he currently rides for. Can't fathom any Poole fan who would be happy with him missing next Saturday. Edited August 15, 2016 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 I really cannot understand why Poole did not accept the revised date for this fixture. As when the televised football fixtures came out it was already known that Anderson had qualified for the SEC and that Aussies U21 were in the team final. It would have made sense for both clubs to have an alternative date 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 I really cannot understand why Poole did not accept the revised date for this fixture. As when the televised football fixtures came out it was already known that Anderson had qualified for the SEC and that Aussies U21 were in the team final. It would have made sense for both clubs to have an alternative date hallelujah someone on the same wave length 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted August 15, 2016 Report Share Posted August 15, 2016 (edited) Read my post. I didn't say all Poole fans. You and a few others in a minority clearly don't agree, but ask a random 100 Poole fans if they are happy that Hans Andersen is missing for Poole on Saturday at Leicester and you would struggle to find many that would be agreeing with you. If you think Hans missing for Poole on Saturday is absolutely fine, then you are one strange supporter of Poole. There you go again...and I didn't say you said all?!? You said 'most' and you have absolutely no idea whether that statement is correct. All you have is a couple of forum members agreeing that the SEC is a tin pot compy and Hans should therefore ride for us instead. I stand by my post as you CANNOT speak for 'most' Poole fans on the strength of the above. In any case, Matt Ford would be aware of the clash and as of yet hasn't publicly criticised Hans. That has far more weight than your personal opinion - and that's all that it is. Yes I'm disappointed that Hans may ride on Saturday afternoon in the SEC, however what I won't do is say that this opinion is the same for 'most' of our supporters. Now get off your soap box. Edited August 15, 2016 by chris4gillian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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