Agrotron Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 I couldn't give a shiny s***e! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Lol @ Matt attempting to be magnanimous - we all know he's raging. And while it would be good for Speedway to see the league fall into different hands, Poole are still favourites for me. I don't know if Shovlars on the wind up or he's actually another Statman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Yes and in my opinion it should have been applied. Woffinden has not ridden here for nearly 2 seasons so his old EL average should have been made obsolete and the standard 8 point GP rider average applied. And you would be saying completely the opposite if he had signed for Poole for certain. The rules on this are crystal clear. Tai has a valid average. The rules state you have to have 3 seasons out to get re-assessed. Tai has had less the 2 seasons out. No question. I can only imagine if KK had ridden here last year and dropped his average considerably (in line with his 2015 Polish and Swedish) to say about 5 and Poole wanted to use him on that average this season. It would be fair to expect him to be re-assessed to 8 then??? Poole would rightly be able to profit of that average under the current rules and there may be an argument that the ruling is wrong. Honest answer please, would you be happy to use a GP standard rider on a 5 point average? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) And you would be saying completely the opposite if he had signed for Poole for certain. The rules on this are crystal clear. Tai has a valid average. The rules state you have to have 3 seasons out to get re-assessed. Tai has had less the 2 seasons out. No question. I can only imagine if KK had ridden here last year and dropped his average considerably (in line with his 2015 Polish and Swedish) to say about 5 and Poole wanted to use him on that average this season. It would be fair to expect him to be re-assessed to 8 then??? Poole would rightly be able to profit of that average under the current rules and there may be an argument that the ruling is wrong. Honest answer please, would you be happy to use a GP standard rider on a 5 point average? We have Holder who is just as good if not better than Woffinden in the EL. He also supports the EL by riding in it every season. Woffinden clearly uses it for convenience, so no I would not like a half hearted Woffinden riding for Poole. Chances are he will not ride in 2017 until his Polish and Swedish teams have failed. KK is not a GP rider, so an 8 average does not apply. I would say Lindback, who is a GP rider, should have his average raised to 8 if he returned to the EL. If a GP rider rides in the EL every year, he should retain his EL average. If he decides to withdraw half way through a season, or comes in late like Woffinden, they should automatically receive an 8 average if they are in the current GP series. Or, if they have an EL average in the last two seasons higher than 8, that average should apply. Makes sense, and the rules would be fair to all clubs. Just my opinion. Edited August 12, 2016 by Steve Shovlar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) Yes and in my opinion it should have been applied. Woffinden has not ridden here for nearly 2 seasons so his old EL average should have been made obsolete and the standard 8 point GP rider average applied. To be able to use an average from a while back when he has clearly improved as a rider give Wolverhampton an advantage over other clubs. Perhaps Matt Ford is missing a trick. Find a young Polish rider with star quality, bring him over at the start of the season, get him to get an average of 4, then drop him. Bring him back the next year on the low 4. Job done. Clearly improved as a rider? How'd you work that one out? Why don't you take a leaf out of your promoters book, Ford has handled the situation very well. We have Holder who is just as good if not better than Woffinden in the EL. Ok, now we're making sense. Holder, whose average is 7.35 is as good, if not better than Woffinden. So Woffinden on 7.03, by your own words, that's pretty much spot on then. Thanks for clearing that up for us! Edited August 12, 2016 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Clearly improved as a rider? How'd you work that one out? Why don't you take a leaf out of your promoters book, Ford has handled the situation very well. Ok, now we're making sense. Holder, whose average is 7.35 is as good, if not better than Woffinden. So Woffinden on 7.03, by your own words, that's pretty much spot on then. Thanks for clearing that up for us! Holder is certainly more reliable. Not a better rider nowdays after what has happened to him but I doubt you would find many Poole fans who would swap the two. I have sai all along its just my opinion. No one has to like what I think. Its a debate forum isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Holder is certainly more reliable. Not a better rider nowdays after what has happened to him but I doubt you would find many Poole fans who would swap the two. I have sai all along its just my opinion. No one has to like what I think. Its a debate forum isn't it? It is a debate forum and I haven't disputed what you've said.. I've simply pointed out you've just killed your own argument that Woffinden is on a false average. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted August 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) Hi, in reply to Gavin!! I created this because well it was going to dominate the Tai feed so why not this is what the site is for and does it really matter this is the 49th reply on it with all being so far a nice structured debate which I for one has enjoyed reading. I'm probably the youngest person on this site and no wonder you older people who remember the good old days can't attract new fans because you are bickering about a forum on a forum site. If you want to attract young people to speedway well your not helping. But everyone else I've enjoyed this debate and well it's designed so we can all have our own ideas. And you always give Poole a hard time well sorry but they are the most successful club by miles! BV build a brand new stadium they still get a smaller crowd than we do. We are attracting the best young riders and well Matt has ideas which riders listen to at the moment so just role with it and he has earned his praise in the sport all you do criticise. Love the Youth of Speedway!!! Edited August 12, 2016 by poolebolton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 We have Holder who is just as good if not better than Woffinden in the EL. He also supports the EL by riding in it every season. Woffinden clearly uses it for convenience, so no I would not like a half hearted Woffinden riding for Poole. Chances are he will not ride in 2017 until his Polish and Swedish teams have failed. KK is not a GP rider, so an 8 average does not apply. I would say Lindback, who is a GP rider, should have his average raised to 8 if he returned to the EL. If a GP rider rides in the EL every year, he should retain his EL average. If he decides to withdraw half way through a season, or comes in late like Woffinden, they should automatically receive an 8 average if they are in the current GP series. Or, if they have an EL average in the last two seasons higher than 8, that average should apply. Makes sense, and the rules would be fair to all clubs. Just my opinion. Maybe those thoughts might be reflected by the governing bodies in time. Also riders who have a Swedish or polish average higher than 7 should also automatically have their EL average converted to minimum 8 to ensure no class riders get used on false EL averages including the likes of THJ who gets wheeled out from time to time on a low 5+. These are easy to implement I'd imagine so long as some promoters don't complain they may lose the use of a valuable 'ringer'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimli27 Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 After reading Matts response to Tai coming back to wolves i am sure if there was anything iffy about it surely Matt would be the first to try to get it changed he hasnt so lets go with it and enjoy watching a class rider in the EL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Matt is usually on v. good terms with CVS and Pete Adams!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 I dont think you will find that any Poole fan is bothered that Tai has signed for Wolves. Why should we be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Matt is usually on v. good terms with CVS and Pete Adams!! Yes we know, "the dark forces working together". It's been that way for quite a while now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Yes we know, "the dark forces working together". It's been that way for quite a while now. Maybe he owes them one for the ruling allowing Newman on his PL average, or keeping Buzz off the heat leader list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Didn't Richard Hall have an average from 1974 (or sometime round there)used recently when he wanted to ride NL??😁 Fair play then only using Tai's from two years ago... Least the BSPA are being consistent...😝 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 And you would be saying completely the opposite if he had signed for Poole for certain. The rules on this are crystal clear. Tai has a valid average. The rules state you have to have 3 seasons out to get re-assessed. Tai has had less the 2 seasons out. No question. I can only imagine if KK had ridden here last year and dropped his average considerably (in line with his 2015 Polish and Swedish) to say about 5 and Poole wanted to use him on that average this season. It would be fair to expect him to be re-assessed to 8 then??? Poole would rightly be able to profit of that average under the current rules and there may be an argument that the ruling is wrong. Honest answer please, would you be happy to use a GP standard rider on a 5 point average? Don't feed the troll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Maybe he owes them one for the ruling allowing Newman on his PL average, or keeping Buzz off the heat leader list. Letting them have Paul Starke... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 I say well done Wolves for getting him and its great for british speedway to have the world champ riding here even if its only for a short time, it spices up the play offs and will boost crowds wherever he rides home or away. Its just a shame that Kylmakorpi had to ride against Belle Vue knowing he had been sacked and put in a unprofessional performance which cost Wolves the meeting.Don't blame him just meant Belle Vue got easy points which from a Poole perpective is a little annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 I say well done Wolves for getting him and its great for british speedway to have the world champ riding here even if its only for a short time, it spices up the play offs and will boost crowds wherever he rides home or away. Its just a shame that Kylmakorpi had to ride against Belle Vue knowing he had been sacked and put in a unprofessional performance which cost Wolves the meeting.Don't blame him just meant Belle Vue got easy points which from a Poole perpective is a little annoying. How do you know he knew before maybe he just had a shocker and thats what prompted the change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 How do you know he knew before maybe he just had a shocker and thats what prompted the change You joking, right? He obviously knew and thought stuff Wolves I am not bothering if I am being sacked. He was excellent in the SEC a couple of nights before. Clearly he knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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