Steve Shovlar Posted August 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Who cares. KL gave up hope of PO's tonight, I guess to the benefit of Lakeside. How many points and meetings in hand does this leave Poole on Belle Vue. And do either have to visit Monmore again before the Play Offs start. Is their PO cut off date. I know Poole have to visit NSS twice. Do the Aces have to visit Wimbourne Rd? Poole have three meetings on Belle Vue. They are 5 points behind. Belle Vue have to visit Poole once. Poole are yet to visit Belle Vue this season. Poole have one visit to Monmore, one to Leicester, one to Swindon, and one to Kings Lynn. We have to target wins at Leicester next Saturday, Swindon on the following Monday, and Belle Vue on the 29th. If we win those and beat Belle Vue at home we can finish top. Not easy but possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) Depends on how much pride Swindon & Kings Lynn have left in them, if Poole can avoid Wolves in Semi. I can't see Pirates winning at Monmore or NSS during or after before unless Zagar goes missing. I do think the Pirates will beat both Wolves & Belle Vue at Wimbourne Rd comfortably. Edited August 12, 2016 by Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) Although, the outcome was as predicted, at least some of the riders showed some fight. Batch, Lambert and Rose came to the party and showed what can be achieved. Rory and NBJ were below par and Morley was just out of his depth. Even with Niels riding I still don't think we would have beaten the reigning Champs. We are all aware the importance of EDR's but when the rules allow teams to use a ex SGP rider as one, it makes everything look stupid. These protected heats idea has been ridiculous and cause more problems than anyone has seen before. Wouldn't it be beneficial for all and sundry to have the minutes of the BSPA meeting made public so everyone can see who is responsible for these pathetic ideas that are ruining our sport.....If these members made decision based on the sport instead of their pockets, they would be better set to work. Protected heat was doomed from the start..... Rant over, Disappointed we lost, but still enjoyed the meeting as usual,,,,, Pleased though, I hadn't got 200mls to travel home..... Edited August 12, 2016 by GRW123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 So Huckenbeck replaces Iversen and Huckenbeck was replaced by r/r so Iversen was replaced by R/R? That's a 28 day ban then. Why exactly is NKI not facing a ban anyway for 'witholding his services"? Whether a 'facility' is, or isnt, granted or used, is surely irrelevant given the fact that last night he should have been riding for KL but simply chose not to? Agreed by KL or not.... Or has riders being able to pick and choose when to turn up, and when not to, become another new rule we have missed? More self inflicted nonsense sadly this time from the BSPA chair himself. Still I presume a few bob was saved in wages so every cloud and all that... AJ, KK, Zagar, and now NKI all missing in the last 8 days from EL meetings for 'various' reasons.. Not good for the sport really this is it? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Lambert Batch and Rose rode with passion the 8-1 was the highlight- but if I was promotor I'd be sounding out Kylmokorpi in view signing him for rest of the season if it means making two changes to get him in so be it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Lambert Batch and Rose rode with passion the 8-1 was the highlight- but if I was promotor I'd be sounding out Kylmokorpi in view signing him for rest of the season if it means making two changes to get him in so be it . Kylmokorpi isn't an option. We'd have to replace 3 from Iversen, Lambert, Batchelor, Schlein & Jakobsen & lose nearly 2 points off our team averages to redeclare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Did anyone think that our team WOULDN'T be trying to score points and earn some money then???? I can't believe that the BSPA couldn't have altered the EDR rules mid season ... it all boils down to figures and they could've easily been worked out ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Did anyone think that our team WOULDN'T be trying to score points and earn some money then???? I can't believe that the BSPA couldn't have altered the EDR rules mid season ... it all boils down to figures and they could've easily been worked out ... those who are moaning about Bjarne being at reserve should remember Poole are doing nothing wrong under the rules - wonder if we'd moan if Rory was at no6 ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 No Poole arent doing anything wrong it's just this ridiculous system where in his 4 programmed rides he faced Lewis Rose in i think all of them? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 No Poole arent doing anything wrong it's just this ridiculous system where in his 4 programmed rides he faced Lewis Rose in i think all of them? And I'd argue that that was great for Lewis Rose to be against a rider of that calibre. The draft riders need more of it not less to improve, it's no good being up against like for like all the time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Why exactly is NKI not facing a ban anyway for 'witholding his services"? Whether a 'facility' is, or isnt, granted or used, is surely irrelevant given the fact that last night he should have been riding for KL but simply chose not to? Agreed by KL or not.... Or has riders being able to pick and choose when to turn up, and when not to, become another new rule we have missed? More self inflicted nonsense sadly this time from the BSPA chair himself. Still I presume a few bob was saved in wages so every cloud and all that... AJ, KK, Zagar, and now NKI all missing in the last 8 days from EL meetings for 'various' reasons.. Not good for the sport really this is it? The answer is YES, they can pick and choose their meetings. The reason for all the absenteeism is there for all to see. Because we are obstinately sticking to variable race days and not wanting to comply with all the other major Leagues in Europe, we will always have these availability issue associated with top names. Personally I would rather see Niels at 75% of the meetings than no Niels at all. But until we can sort out these basic problems the we will always run the risk of these star names missing. Its about time the BSPA woke up and see the sport for what it is and not keep living in the past...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Well as I said earlier Kings Lynn is the furthest EL track from Poole and it feels it! The trip to Manchester is quicker. Having said that I left Kings Lynn at 9.50 pm and walked in the door at 1.20 am so 3.30 mins wasn't too bad. Roads were clear all the way. I thought the crowd last night was pretty good, considering many on here were saying they were not going. They were very quiet though as they had nothing to cheer. The 8-1 was met with a little cheer but that was it. Not suprising I suppose as Poole were completely dominant. Middlo got caught in traffic and only got there a minute before heat one. The body language between the sides was obvious. Poole looked like defending champions as they chased every point. Very little in the way of passing though. For Poole. Holder rode well for little reward. Discovered the inside line wasn't the fastest way around. Ellis just goes from strength to strength. I would stake my house on him being a top British rider for years to come. Improving all the time. His battle with Lambert was brilliant and there was no way he was going to lose that. Made a cockup of bend three in one heat when on a 5-1 to allow Rose through. Nearly got him back. Buckowski started slowly but was flying in his last two rides. Kurtz rode well in his first but like Holder found the inside was the place not to be. Andersen had one of his best meetings this year. Chose the inside in his first and found both Lynn riders going around him. But it was called back when Buckowski was clipped and fell. In the rerun drove out into mid track to block both Lynn riders passing around him. Had a great battle with Lambert in heat 15. Bjarne probably scored his easiest 12 point max for ages. Got the nominanted but missed it. But he had done his job by then. Newman solid as usual. For Kings Lynn. Batchelor was good announced as rider of the night. They don't do away riders here. Schlein was better at Poole than last night. Poor for a heat leader. Basically outgunned. Poor Morley was canon fodder. Hope he was paid a wage was never going to score. For Lambert read Harris. He is so similar it is frightening. A crap gater and a racer, just like a young Harris. Exciting to watch, but if he doesn't improve his starts he will end up having a similar career. In comparison Ellis is a better gater. Be interesting to see who has the better career in the sport. With all the fuss about Lambert young Ellis's rise has somewhat passed under the radar. Don't think there's much between them to be honest. Lambert and Ellis are certainly the future for team GB. Jakobsen was poor. Scored a couple at the end when the result was known. Rose battled all night and was decent value. So Poole close the gap on Belle Vue to just 5 points. Leicester away up next, next Saturday. 4 points again a must. A much tougher challenge than last night but if the team rides just as hard it can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 The answer is YES, they can pick and choose their meetings. The reason for all the absenteeism is there for all to see. Because we are obstinately sticking to variable race days and not wanting to comply with all the other major Leagues in Europe, we will always have these availability issue associated with top names. Personally I would rather see Niels at 75% of the meetings than no Niels at all. But until we can sort out these basic problems the we will always run the risk of these star names missing. Its about time the BSPA woke up and see the sport for what it is and not keep living in the past...... BUT Poland and Sweden are now running multi-nights now, so why now should we kowtow to a single night?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 So is that it for NKI at Kings Lynn this season and have the Stars re-declared? I've asked before but nobody has answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 So is that it for NKI at Kings Lynn this season and have the Stars re-declared? I've asked before but nobody has answered. Be interesting to know. Either a re-declaration or an illegal team. Probably an illegal team, same as at Poole the night before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 For Lambert read Harris. He is so similar it is frightening. A crap gater and a racer, just like a young Harris. Exciting to watch, but if he doesn't improve his starts he will end up having a similar career. In comparison Ellis is a better gater. Be interesting to see who has the better career in the sport. With all the fuss about Lambert young Ellis's rise has somewhat passed under the radar. Don't think there's much between them to be honest. Lambert and Ellis are certainly the future for team GB. No argument from me of that assessment. I've said exactly the same from day one with the Lambert Harris comparison, it's scarily similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Harris' biggest problem isn't his gating. It's his mechanical knowledge and ability to get the best out of a bike. All else being equal, if Lambert knows how to make a bike work and has technical ability when working on a bike there no reason he can't be a top GP rider one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) Harris' biggest problem isn't his gating. It's his mechanical knowledge and ability to get the best out of a bike. All else being equal, if Lambert knows how to make a bike work and has technical ability when working on a bike there no reason he can't be a top GP rider one day.Alternatively, employ good mechanics who do have the experience to make the correct changes during a meeting. If Lambert had the ability to get out the starts quickly he would be up there challenging the very top boys. Has he been picked up by a Polish club yet? Edited August 12, 2016 by Steve Shovlar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 No argument from me of that assessment. I've said exactly the same from day one with the Lambert Harris comparison, it's scarily similar. Maybe i am way off here but Lambert to me is at a different level to Ellis at the moment.Lambert really is a proper rider at Swindon the other week i know he was hit and miss but his first ride he was so quick.Out of the English riders i would put Garrity /S Worrall behind Lambert then Ellis would be in a group with Bates,Auty,,Starke,R.Worrall,Wright. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 Maybe i am way off here but Lambert to me is at a different level to Ellis at the moment.Lambert really is a proper rider at Swindon the other week i know he was hit and miss but his first ride he was so quick.Out of the English riders i would put Garrity /S Worrall behind Lambert then Ellis would be in a group with Bates,Auty,,Starke,R.Worrall,Wright. Agree, my agreement with Shovvy's post was purely on the Harris comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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