B.V 72 Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) Got to love it.. "A world champion ringer".. Yep, a club asset who has ridden for the club for six years and has an average below that of the rider he would be replacing. If Kylmakorpi had been riding well the conversation wouldn't even be happening, as it is, he's just contributed 0 0 0, a shocking effort. Now, I don't know what fantasy sports your so called friends follow, but most fans of any sport would be wanting someone replaced who contributed such a performance. The real issue here is nothing to do with fictitious friends, it's your panic that Wolves might beat you. As much as i would like to get into a loooooong debate with such an open minded pleasant poster such as yourself just like our last debate.I find i have something more interesting to do i have to go and pick up the dog crap in the garden. Edited August 10, 2016 by B.V 72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Will it costs lots? Tai will not want to go into the last 5 GPs having not ridden any other meetings. He needs meetings now, so riding every Monday (plus one Thursday) for Wolves will be ideal. Keeps him sharp for the GP series, isn't trekking all over Europe to get burnt out. Do Wolves need Woffy or does Woffy need Wolves? Or maybe a bit of both. Maybe Tai is happy to just be riding and the monetary side of things doesn't matter too much to him if it helps him in a World title. As half the meeting he'll be riding in will be play-offs and as he's a British World Champion I bet crowd surge if/when he returns. As I see it it's win/win for Woffy and Wolves. As for those barking, "it's wrong", "it's a joke", "it's not fair". Boo hoo! It's not against any rule and nobody was saying it was wrong when Woffy was averaging 7.00 for Wolves 2 seasons ago! They're now about the benefit from that season of abject failure from him and good luck to them (not too much though, I want BV to win the league) Correct.. If the sport wants to slavishly follow averages for team building with all the inherent inconsistences around how they get delivered, then no one can complain if they get used to bring a World Champion in on his current figure... Either use them, or don't. Cant have it both ways.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) As much as i would like to get into a loooooong debate with such an open minded pleasant poster such as yourself just like our last debate.I find i have something more interesting to do i have to go and pick up the dog crap in the garden. In other words, I'm talking absolute rubbish but I'm not adult enough to admit it (again) so I'll act childish and storm off. There is no debate to be had. Wolves have the option to sign a rider, within the rules, just as any other team does, just as any team in any other sport has the option, within the rules of their given sport. Edited August 10, 2016 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Crowds, where? I know Belle Vue are getting double the average dog track gate but I'm not sure that's got anything to do with the play off 'buzz', lol! I stated the play offs bring the crowds and buzz. Year on year. That isn't even an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) Well after yesterday's results, Woffinden won't be riding in Sweden after next Tuesday. Guess that leaves a few spots in his calendar empty. Edited August 11, 2016 by Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Lol! You forgot to mention that the crowd and buzz on Monday would have been significantly bigger in a proper league for some reason? Add in all the other lower league gates (does anyone still think the qualifiers for lower teams attract big crowds, lol!) and its a lose lose lose lose lose lose lose...........lose win win (but only if it doesn't rain and make your buzz more of a fizzle pop again). I didn't forget anything. The play offs are a success. Any promoter will tell you that. You can try piddle on it from a great height because you don't like them but that's irrelevant. They are big time speedway meetings. You would have to be blind to not see that , or a hater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Massive whooooossshhh! Of course, but you know I'm right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Lol! You forgot to mention that the crowd and buzz on Monday would have been significantly bigger in a proper league for some reason? Add in all the other lower league gates (does anyone still think the qualifiers for lower teams attract big crowds, lol!) and its a lose lose lose lose lose lose lose...........lose win win (but only if it doesn't rain and make your buzz more of a fizzle pop again). So you keep telling us, year after year. I guess the promoters are just too dumb to realise it, including your beloved promotion at Belle Vue, or have I missed them speaking out on this subject? Premier League promoters are as foolish as well.. they were so stupid they changed back to the straight league system only to ditch it and go back to the play-offs method! Idiots, they just want to throw money down the drain. Don't even get me started on the fools in Sweden, Denmark and Poland. What is wrong with these promoters!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Dumb promoters? Hmm..... That's right, you said it! They must all be out to lose money, after all it's so obvious, as you keep telling us that play-offs have a negative effect. Have the esteemed Belle Vue promotion spoken out about the play-offs? Or do they fall into the dumb promoters category as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) I don't understand why you keep banging on about the play off final itself, everyone knows its a success. Its like the compulsive gambler who gets a £10 Yankee home and tells everyone how great it is but it doesn't come close to recouping his losses for the rest of the year so he just ignores them as though they don't exist, and when anyone asks he even gets arsey about it. Yet again the proof is there for all to see, wolves come to Belle Vue top of the table and there wasn't even one coach, I think we only took one coach to wolves for the return, same at Swindon and Coventry. As long as you keep getting the one big final hit nothing else matters, lol! Who is banging on? I'm agreeing with you, the playoffs are causing promoters to lose money in bucketloads! Season after season they're just throwing it away... Not just in the UK but across Europe. Can you believe those dumb Swedes? Poland, we hear that they know how to promote speedway, what fools they are!! As for the Danes, well less said about their playoff system the better. I thought the Premier League promoters had seen the light when they switched away from the playoffs, but then the dumb fools went back to it! Can you believe that? Now even the National League is getting in on the act. Can't you have a word with your promotion? They're part of this, get them to speak out! Surely you don't want to see your club losing money like this... tell them what fools they are! Edited August 11, 2016 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 You need more work on your sarcasm, it didn't work that well in the other thread either did it, lol! Hmm.. you realise that you are belittling your very own argument don't you? I've simply pointed out your argument... but you take it as being sarcastic.. interesting. Seems you don't really believe what you've been trolling about for years then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Lol! That's even worse! It's your argument, not mine. So promoters aren't dumb then to have a system you say loses them money? Which is it? Either promoters across England, Sweden, Denmark and Poland are dumb... or you are wrong? Has to be one or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 I love speedway fans. "Woffinden is a disgrace for not riding in the UK!" "It's a disgrace Woffinden is going to ride in the UK!" Haha absolutely spot on!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) Over the years i have had plenty of conversations about speedway with non speedway fans and a good few of them have had the same opinion. Now if the sport i love has rules that will allow a club to draft in a world champion ringer in place of an average heat leader just for the play offs making the whole league season pointless and the play off system a joke.Then if i does happen for the first time in my life i will have to agree with them speedway is a MICKEY MOUSE SPORT i just can't defend it any more. I just hope that for the credibility of the sport (and for me not having to admit to my friends that they are right ) that its all pie in the sky and that it does not happen. First of all before you have a conversations with these made up people try it explaining with the real facts first ..not sure that you have looked at the league but Wolves have not even got into the play offs yet and still have work to do so it's not just a ringer just for the play offs to start with ...also why would it make the rest of the season pointless ? if Wolves had been bottom they would no chance of even making the play offs so the rest of season has mattered a lot ...also with Woofy in the side it does mean that Wolves are going to win the play offs at all. with there reserves being so weak all it does is give them a better chance . It's no wonder the mate at work etc think Speedway is mickey mouse when it's explained by the likes of you ...what a great job you have been doing of defending it lol Edited August 11, 2016 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 You said they were dumb? Correct, I was basing that assumption on your claims that the playoff system loses teams money.. Now as all the major leagues operate a play off system, they're all throwing money away... is that not a dumb thing to do? Have you raised the issue with Belle Vue's promoters, why they back a system that loses them money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Exactly. No one has qualified yet for the title decider. Missing another home match and watching the updates tonight. Any win will do. Good to see that Zagar has recovered from his poorly neck injury and disappointed that Fricke can't ride in the UK but can in Poland. Was Ole Olsen riding for Wolves the last time you went to Monmore Steve ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Was Ole Olsen riding for Wolves the last time you went to Monmore Steve ? Check how many updates I've done this year for your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Just remember - Wolves haven't won anything yet - and they are likely to struggle with their current EDR reserves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted August 11, 2016 Report Share Posted August 11, 2016 Just remember - Wolves haven't won anything yet - and they are likely to struggle with their current EDR reserves. If Woffinden has 2 to 3 poor meetings, is it possible he could ride himself into a reserve slot for the play-offs?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 12, 2016 Report Share Posted August 12, 2016 If Woffinden has 2 to 3 poor meetings, is it possible he could ride himself into a reserve slot for the play-offs?? 7.03 he starts on, getting it down to less than Howarth & PK on 4.91 & 5.53 would take allot of last places. Wolves do need to win at least a few of their remaining fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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