SCB Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Depending on what happens in Poland with Wroclaw and the play offs I expect Tai to be back at Wolves in the next two weeks.Has to happen soon or the averages won't fit. Maybe it's why Joonas was so bad tonight? Knows he's getting the sack so getting his average down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Has to happen soon or the averages won't fit. Maybe it's why Joonas was so bad tonight? Knows he's getting the sack so getting his average down? Getting it down for next season, or so that if wolves aren't quick enough he can't be replaced by woffy?Add woffy to that wolves side and they are a match for anyone, though they still need howarth to start scoring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Vetlanda & Wroclaw both have a reasonable chance of making the play-offs in there respective leagues, Woffinden has been pretty scathing of British tracks via twitter when he's seen them on TV. Wolves traditionally don't make changes they're not forced into, I would be very surprised if the swap happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Vetlanda & Wroclaw both have a reasonable chance of making the play-offs in there respective leagues, Woffinden has been pretty scathing of British tracks via twitter when he's seen them on TV. Wolves traditionally don't make changes they're not forced into, I would be very surprised if the swap happened. Vetlanda have very little chance of the play-offs- nowhere anything like reasonable- table http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=82350 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) Getting it down for next season, or so that if wolves aren't quick enough he can't be replaced by woffy? Who knows, either? But his current average is now too low to be replace by Woffy, so they have to replace him before the averages change (in the next 2 weeks) but the rules allow the BSPA to give a rider a real time average when making changes if they wish. Vetlanda & Wroclaw both have a reasonable chance of making the play-offs in there respective leagues, Woffinden has been pretty scathing of British tracks via twitter when he's seen them on TV. Wolves traditionally don't make changes they're not forced into, I would be very surprised if the swap happened. Wolves only have 5 meeting left, 4 at home (one a double header) and one at Lynn. He might be happy with them tracks. Edited August 9, 2016 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Vetlanda & Wroclaw both have a reasonable chance of making the play-offs in there respective leagues, Woffinden has been pretty scathing of British tracks via twitter when he's seen them on TV. Wolves traditionally don't make changes they're not forced into, I would be very surprised if the swap happened. I would be astonished 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Has to happen soon or the averages won't fit. Maybe it's why Joonas was so bad tonight? Knows he's getting the sack so getting his average down? So there we have it. Wolves cheating to fit in Woffinden. If for example a Poole rider had scored 0,0,0 after coming second in the SEC on Saturday, with the intention of being swapped out of the team for a bigger rider, who just so happens to have an average so close to the rider that he is replacing that said rider dare not win a heat, there would have been uproar on here. Poole cheats etc etc etc. But not a wisper of anything untoward. Double standards? Depending on what happens in Poland with Wroclaw and the play offs I expect Tai to be back at Wolves in the next two weeks. Woffinden should be riding EL anyway. Hopefully he will be back full time in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Who knows, either? But his current average is now too low to be replace by Woffy, so they have to replace him before the averages change (in the next 2 weeks) but the rules allow the BSPA to give a rider a real time average when making changes if they wish. Wolves only have 5 meeting left, 4 at home (one a double header) and one at Lynn. He might be happy with them tracks. EL riders have established averages as at 8th August, to be re-issued effective 22nd August. The provision for an average to be assessed on re-declaration applies to an assessed average, not an established one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 So there we have it. Wolves cheating to fit in Woffinden. If for example a Poole rider had scored 0,0,0 after coming second in the SEC on Saturday, with the intention of being swapped out of the team for a bigger rider, who just so happens to have an average so close to the rider that he is replacing that said rider dare not win a heat, there would have been uproar on here. Poole cheats etc etc etc. But not a wisper of anything untoward. Double standards? Woffinden should be riding EL anyway. Hopefully he will be back full time in 2017. It would make a fallacy of the league season to be honest but as you say if Poole pulled the same trick the forum would go into meltdown. Perhaps if man utd qualify for the FA cup final again this season they could draft in Ronaldo in place of Rooney to give them a better chance even though he hasn't played for them all season . Hopefully though Woofy will return to riding in the UK next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Well that was a marker well and truly put down by the Aces. Great performance (Nicholls will finally do my fantasy team a bit of good!!). So after last week's Wolves defeat at Poole, whoever said Kylmakorpi would have made the Wolves stronger, seriously needs some help!!! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 EL riders have established averages as at 8th August, to be re-issued effective 22nd August. The provision for an average to be assessed on re-declaration applies to an assessed average, not an established one. I was just going from memory but you're probably right about the assessed rider thing. Still gives them 2 weeks to make the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Vetlanda have very little chance of the play-offs- nowhere anything like reasonable- table http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=82350 Indeed now having looked at the fixtures, it seems mission impossible with Masarna hosting Smederna the final week. Who knows, either? But his current average is now too low to be replace by Woffy, so they have to replace him before the averages change (in the next 2 weeks) but the rules allow the BSPA to give a rider a real time average when making changes if they wish. Wolves only have 5 meeting left, 4 at home (one a double header) and one at Lynn. He might be happy with them tracks. I guess that would suit him. With Poole & Belle Vue also cert's for the top two places, he clearly has no objections to the track at the NSS judging by his SWC exploits. Even if Lakeside (the track he seemed to object to the most) do make the play-off's it is unlikely Wolves will visit Purfleet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 So there we have it. Wolves cheating to fit in Woffinden. If for example a Poole rider had scored 0,0,0 after coming second in the SEC on Saturday, with the intention of being swapped out of the team for a bigger rider, who just so happens to have an average so close to the rider that he is replacing that said rider dare not win a heat, there would have been uproar on here. Poole cheats etc etc etc. But not a wisper of anything untoward. Double standards? Except of course, Joonas scoring low doesn't help get Woffy in. Woffy would have to be a straight swap for Joonas (or Freddie), so Joonas lowering his average would prevent them from getting Woffy in, not help it - wolves now have two weeks to make the change, if Joonas had scored well there would be no hurry. I'm sure you knew that of course though Shovvy... tbf, if a Poole rider had done exactly that, you are right that there would be some idiots claiming exactly what you just did, but not anyone with a brain... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Well done to the Aces a terrific all round performance. As for the speedway what promised to be a blockbuster in front of a good crowd turned into a damp squip. Hardly any passing ,little racing no more than a trapping contest, not good enough ! Think this gives the Aces a free hand in the playoffs with no fear who they will pick, everyone else will be hoping Belle Vue don't pick them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Well done to the Aces a terrific all round performance. As for the speedway what promised to be a blockbuster in front of a good crowd turned into a damp squip. Hardly any passing ,little racing no more than a trapping contest, not good enough ! Think this gives the Aces a free hand in the playoffs with no fear who they will pick, everyone else will be hoping Belle Vue don't pick them. The track wasnt right last night. Looked like it was over watered a bit. There has been a definite improvement in the racing at Monmore this season compared to the last few years, but it was very poor last night. Not an excuse though. Belle Vue were simply better on the night than we were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Embarrassing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedcrazy Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 So there we have it. Wolves cheating to fit in Woffinden. If for example a Poole rider had scored 0,0,0 after coming second in the SEC on Saturday, with the intention of being swapped out of the team for a bigger rider, who just so happens to have an average so close to the rider that he is replacing that said rider dare not win a heat, there would have been uproar on here. Poole cheats etc etc etc. But not a wisper of anything untoward. Double standards? Woffinden should be riding EL anyway. Hopefully he will be back full time in 2017. Who's saying wolves were cheating last nite, they were outgated and out rode by a team who wanted it more, I can't see the Joonas/Tai swop happening IMO , so let's wait a while before anyone accuses anyone of cheating . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 So there we have it. Wolves cheating to fit in Woffinden. If for example a Poole rider had scored 0,0,0 after coming second in the SEC on Saturday, with the intention of being swapped out of the team for a bigger rider, who just so happens to have an average so close to the rider that he is replacing that said rider dare not win a heat, there would have been uproar on here. Poole cheats etc etc etc. But not a wisper of anything untoward. Double standards? Woffinden should be riding EL anyway. Hopefully he will be back full time in 2017. Steve, you obviously don't do irony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 If Woffie does join Wolves or any of the other 3 qualifying teams for the play offs i would not say it is cheating at all if the rules allow it then fans can't complain about it Wolves or whoever will have done nothing wrong. But for me it is the biggest problem with the play offs that this can happen.All 4 teams will have battled all season to get into the play offs and all 4 teams will have earned their right to be there with the team members they have(inj replacements and like for like early season changes are ok to me)The play offs are then the time to see who is the best team through a knockout system.So any team who just for the play offs brings in a highly paid ringer will pi$$ off the other teams and their fans no end.After all what was the whole season all about it just makes the sport look ridiculous and possibly make even more fans walk away.If said team then goes on to win every fan in the country will feel that said team did not deserve it and only won because of the ringer.When the truth is if a team is good enougth to reach the play offs then they could on the night be good enougth to win it and if so then everone will know that said team deserved to win it fair and square.Then the sport can hold its head up high knowing one of the best 4 teams over a full season was good enougth to win the play offs and be crowned champions. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Now the rumour I heard was that Tai was coming in at the end of the month. Joonas' 000 means that can't happen now. So either Woffy comes in sooner or doesn't come in at all. Joonas probably knew this, hence the 000 so he would keep his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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