E I Addio Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 The fact remains that according to several forum experts swindon did cheat to fit ward in and they lost the meeting to Belle Vue when Batchelor deliberately achieved the low score he need to reduce his average below 7. When asked rossiter said they lost to Belle Vue and specifically referred to ward which, other than the cheating to fit him in wasn't relevant. Really ? Which forum "experts" ? I must have missed those. I remember a few posts speculating on it but nothing from anyone that could remotely be described as an "expert". You couldn't post a link by any chance could you ? Shouldn't be too difficult as its only last year. Otherwise certain disreputable individuals might infer that it's just another fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 (edited) Why do you need a link, it is a thread on this forum? Try the advanced search facility and put 'cheating' in find words and you can narrow the search down by finding the date of the meeting from Swindon's results from last year and use a date range of say a week before and a month after. I'm sure the thread will come up but if you need any more help don't hesitate to ask. Yeah tried that but you said some forum experts have said Swindon were cheating . I can't find anyone with any special inside knowledge or expertise that backs up what you say. Thanks for your kind invitation to ask for help. The help I am asking for is can you provide a link to posts from these "experts" ? If not it's going to look like you are making it all up. Edited August 17, 2016 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 (edited) I said forum experts, why are you looking for 'experts'? ? Who said I was looking under experts ? You said it would be under cheating, narrowed down to Swindon etc? Let's not beat about the bush, Frederick, there is no firm evidence that Swindon cheated is there? Only speculation. The whole line of discussion about Swindon cheating and Batch dropping his average deliberately has no firm evidence to back it up. He might have done or he might not.mwe don't really know. It's really all another of your silly fantasies. As Bwitcher says, making a fool of yourself again. Frederick H. Flange. Purveyor of Porkies. By the way, do you get someone else to wipe your arse for you as well? Are you sure you can wipe your own arse?As it happens no, but it matters not. When people resort to crude and crass personal remarks it's invariably because they have lost the argument and have nothing sensible to add. But you needn't have bothered Frederick . Water off a ducks back to me and I shan't be losing any sleep over it. Edited August 17, 2016 by E I Addio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 After years of being told that the play offs are not to blame for the decline in attendance at UK tracks which I've got my head round, I now have to accept that the play offs are the reason for the increased crowds in Sweden. Confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 You said "I can't find anyone with any special inside knowledge or expertise" which isn't a bad definition of expert, if you didn't mean expert what exactly was it you were looking for? I didn't say there was any firm evidence did I? I actually looked at the evidence and read the comments from the forum experts, some were at the meeting and some weren't, and I agreed with the majority opinion. Never mind the semantics, anyone reading the thread can see there is no link to support your claim about what Leigh Adams is supposed to have said, no factual support to suggest Rosco was deliberately losing "qualifiers" , and no link or other evidence to prove Batch was deliberately lowering his average, nothing at all in fact to support much of what you have said at all. Just matters of opinion unsupported by fact. Glad we cleared that up. Shame you had to resort to vulgarity though. That "holiday" can't be far off now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Does anyone know the answer to the questions? There must be some significant differences between the qualifier and cup system between UK and Sweden otherwise the figures don't make sense? I thought you never took any interest in speedway outside the uk ? another lie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Does anyone know the answer to the questions? There must be some significant differences between the qualifier and cup system between UK and Sweden otherwise the figures don't make sense? There are eight teams in the league, they race each other home and away. Top four go into the playoffs where it is two semis over two legs, followed by a two leg grand final. Now this information is extremely easy to find out, I could use a phrase you used earlier, but I'll leave such nonsense to yourself. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Glad we cleared that up. Shame you had to resort to vulgarity though. That "holiday" can't be far off now. Not before time. Nothing but personal attacks proves the argument is already lost. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 There are 8 teams in the Swedish Elitserien over a season they race each other once home and away.The top 6 teams Qualifiy for the play offs. The play offs are run over 3 rounds Quarter finals,semi finals and final.The top 6 teams are split into 2 quarter final groups of 3 teams each.The top 2 teams of each group qualifies for the semi finals.In the semi finals 2 teams meet home and away with the highest agg scoring teams of the 2 rounds going through to the final. The final is over 2 legs home and away with the highest agg scoreing team winning the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) Bw has already answered the question about 2007, what year is this system from? In any case it bears absolutely no resemblance to UK system. Of course it bears a resemblance to the UK system. Teams are competing in a league which you would call qualifying for a cup. You don't like it because the attendance figures totally destroy your argument. Where Sweden differs is they have increased the strength and quality of their top league whilst the UK has continually weakened. The naysayers tell us that wouldn't make any difference to crowd sizes though! Edited August 18, 2016 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 We don't have quarter finals in the UK? I take it that it isn't as easy as you suggested to find the semi final attendances? Just follow the links in my last post and you should find them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 We don't have quarter finals in the UK? I take it that it isn't as easy as you suggested to find the semi final attendances? Before the Swede's introduced the cup and qualifier attendances increased by, on average 11% a season, despite increasing the strength and quality of the top league attendances have only increased by less than 5% since the cup and qualifier was introduced? I think I'm starting to enjoy statistics. You enjoy trolling and trying to twist things to your own agenda. Everyone else can clearly see and understands that since the play-offs were introduced Sweden has enjoyed far higher attendances. Only an ignorant troll would try and argue differently. Feel free to continue making yourself a laughing stock though! hahaha Just follow the links in my last post and you should find them Precisely, which you explained earlier.. For some reason Fred finds that task difficult... I refer him once again to his earlier comments about such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 The question was raised about crowds in Sweden and the effect of play-offs. Here’s the data for the Elitserien: av attendance 1994 1009 1995 1135 1996 1089 1997 1137 1998 1172 1999 1796 Play-offs introduced av attendance excluding play-offs 2000 2261 2001 2781 2002 2678 2003 2847 2004 2864 2005 3029 2006 2602 2007 2742 Play-off final attendances 2000 12242 & 7464 2001 8639 & 9080 2002 5940 & 8035 2003 5468 & 8426 2004 5709 & 7526 2005 8703 & 7264 2006 7901 & 5899 2007 9398 & 8564 Note : Tony Rickardsson was world champion in 1994/98/99/2001/02/05 (and in top four for entire period 1996-2005. 2007 was the first time since 1989 when no Swede finished in the top four of the World Championship – Andreas Jonsson in 10th place was the top Swede. Do you get a kick out of lying? The links were posted in reply to a question asking for "any recent data", the links themselves have been posted with the years 2008 to 2015 next to them. In what way does that answer the question about 2007? I know, it doesn't, you were trolling again because you are a liar. Why lie, the post is there for you to read, I ask for a bit more detail about 2007 and you claim a post covering 2008-2015 explained it? As for the figures quoted, they clearly show that crowds were increasing at a much faster rate before the cup and qualifier was introduced. I appreciate you are unable to understand why that is significant though. It isn't trolling, sadly for some reason everything you don't agree with is trolling (just read your horrific content history in your profile), it is simple (very simple if I'm honest which is why I'm baffled you don't get it) mathematics. The predictable response. In any statistical analysis, if there is a figure that is abnormally different to the others it is generally ignored. There was NOT a consistent trend of increasing attendances before the playoffs, there was one year when they rose by any significant margin and that was 1999. All the other years the attendances stayed fairly consistent. Your argument has consistently been that in a playoff system fans don't attend the 'league' matches as much as they would under the old straight league system, choosing to skip meetings. Yet the evidence provided shows crowds on average consistently at least 2.5 times higher in the playoff era than the pre-playoff era. I have no doubt at all you will still try and twist it, that sums up the kind of person you are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) I'll come back to the consistent trend after you have explained your lying. I'll ask again Do you get a kick out of lying? The links were posted in reply to a question asking for "any recent data", the links themselves have been posted with the years 2008 to 2015 next to them. In what way does that answer the question about 2007? I know, it doesn't, you were trolling again because you are a liar. Why lie, the post is there for you to read, I ask for a bit more detail about 2007 and you claim a post covering 2008-2015 explained it? If you are happy to accept you are a liar and a troll then there's no need to answer the question. Correct. The link was given as follows:- http://speedwayhistorik.svemo.se/ With the instruction to click on 'Historik'. Lo and behold that gives you the option of choosing any year from 2002-2010... including of course 2007. Very simple. Of course you prefer to rant and rave, accuse people of lying to cover up your own incompetence. Once again, your abusive phrase regarding bottoms and wiping seems appropriate. Edited August 18, 2016 by BWitcher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) That was in reply to a request for 'any recent data' and was dated accordingly. Only after I asked for more info was it pointed out that the data I was looking for was also in the link. But you know that don't you? You've seen the post you lied about and now you are still trolling. You've even posted the link but omitted the date from the original post to try and cover your lie! The link was already there. All you had to do was click on it and select the year you wanted. It's not difficult, however it proved too demanding for yourself. So no, I haven't lied. The link was there all along, just you were unable to use a drop down menu. Give it a rest. Now, if we can go back onto the topic of the thread, "Who is going to win the EL" Much of that will depend upon the form Woffinden can show. If he brings some of his best equipment and backup team he will clearly make a big difference to the hopes of Wolves and certainly put them back in the mix. As others have said though, Wolves will need a step up from Howarth to be competitive. We won't be able to concede 10pts from the reserve positions. Poole are still favourites as they have riders from 1 through to 7 who can all score big pts on any given night which Wolves and Belle Vue can't really say (although Jacobs is much improved this year). Edited August 18, 2016 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 (edited) No the link was posted as 2008-10 here: http://speedwayhistorik.svemo.se/ specifically in reply to a post about more recent data. Why would you click a link for 2007 which is described as 2008-10? Why did you troll the point? Quite simply, yes. As the likelihood is that you would find the data from 2007 in the same place... as funnily enough you could. Then again, I'm intelligent. You've made your point, everyone who doesn't agree with you or shows you to be wrong is a troll or a liar, it's getting repetitive now. Edited August 18, 2016 by BWitcher 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Quite simply, yes. As the likelihood is that you would find the data from 2007 in the same place... as funnily enough you could. Then again, I'm intelligent. You've made your point, everyone who doesn't agree with you or shows you to be wrong is a troll or a liar, it's getting repetitive now. Not only that but apparently they also have a funny way of discussing things!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 The team that will win the play offs in 2016 is the team who wins the final on aggregate!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 The team that will win the play offs in 2016 is the team who wins the final on aggregate!!!! Now now, don't interrupt the Fred Flange comedy show! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Now now, don't interrupt the Fred Flange comedy show
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