stevebrum Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 For me its Wolves for the 2016 EL title. Tried to get on the 7/1 some bookies had been offering as soon as Kylmakorpi tweeted goodbye -but I was too late. Of course key injuries could de-rail any of the challenges of the teams involved, just think the Tai-factor gives them the edge as things stand now. Hope I'm wrong though! Hope you are right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Aces have to be narrow faces, even though wolves and poole both arguably have stronger teams and better home advantage, simply due to the fact wolves and poole must be 50/50 to knock each other out. Whichever side wins that semi I imagine would start the final slight favourites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace no.5 Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 You forget one small thing we are so much stronger with Tai in the team How negative. .....you really don't believe in your team do you.So what will happen is you hope to beat wolves and then you'll loose to Swindon in the final going on your negativity. Ok but let me give you something to think about.....what happens if you come to wolves on Monday and beat us convincingly would you still avoid picking us ? We aren't riding at wolves on Monday? Last time we rode there we won comfortably but that was woth JK getting 000. Woffy changes things slightly...! Plus we've seen how Woffy goes at NSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 (edited) That's why i said they would win then, not hard to understand is it! Well you were wrong wasn't you, they didn't not hard to understand is it. But BV are still clear favs.. Edited September 3, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Well you were wrong wasn't you, they didn't not hard to understand is it. But BV are still clear favs..So why give him a hard time for predicting the team you say are "clear favourites" winning? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 (edited) So why give him a hard time for predicting the team you say are "clear favourites" winning? Im not giving him a hard time, just making my point. Everybody knows BV are clear favorites, reguardless of the fact we beat them thursday, bar one person on here. he will say if we lose it, biggest choke ever, but if we did win it he will say, told you so.. He has it all covered, thats why he's on permanant ignore.. Edited September 3, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Well you were wrong wasn't you, they didn't not hard to understand is it. But BV are still clear favs.. That's the thing with predictions, one can often be wrong. It's not a crime to say the overwhelming favourites might win away and makes no difference where it was at. They thrashed wolves at home who are meant to have a huge home advantage. Poole have often won at Wolves in recent seasons so it will be no surprise if it's close on Monday. Yet many Poole fans think they will get thrashed! Poole have just beaten the favourites so are in decent form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 3, 2016 Report Share Posted September 3, 2016 Poole are in poor form away, i can't see them getting much from Wolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 before the season started I had Wolves as the Dark Horses, now they have Tai they are clear favourites tor the Play off final. Belle Vue should finish as league champions, but baring any injuries Wolves should finish as Play Off champions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 That's the thing with predictions, one can often be wrong. It's not a crime to say the overwhelming favourites might win away and makes no difference where it was at. They thrashed wolves at home who are meant to have a huge home advantage. Poole have often won at Wolves in recent seasons so it will be no surprise if it's close on Monday. Yet many Poole fans think they will get thrashed! Poole have just beaten the favourites so are in decent form. Ummm cos we got thrashed in the A meeting!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 Ummm cos we got thrashed in the A meeting!!Some of us maybe dreaming of replacing Hans but at Wolves we will miss him.He is usually pretty good there, Nicholls is good there too but not on his current form. In my opinion we should be using King, who is on good form and goes very well at Monmore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 before the season started I had Wolves as the Dark Horses, now they have Tai they are clear favourites tor the Play off final. Belle Vue should finish as league champions, but baring any injuries Wolves should finish as Play Off champions. What is it with a couple of Belle Vue fans always trying to make out the playoffs are a completely seperate competition to the league? I got news for ya! It is no seperate competition! Fred Flange goes on about it in exactly the same way. The winners of the play offs are The League Champions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 What is it with a couple of Belle Vue fans always trying to make out the playoffs are a completely seperate competition to the league? I got news for ya! It is no seperate competition! Fred Flange goes on about it in exactly the same way. The winners of the play offs are The League Champions. They are, it becomes a knock out competition for half the teams in the league. Shame the other four teams don't compete for the Knock Out Cup to prolong their season and provide some revenue.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 Wolves top four is as strong as any but when it comes to the crunch of a Play Off semi or final I'm not convinced by their bottom three at all. Clegg can only ride small tracks, PK is 46 and Howarth has been a let down this year. Difficult to pick between the top three sides when all is said and done, all have their strengths and weaknesses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 Wolves especially have a massive say remember. They are certain to finish 2nd/3rd. So know they will be facing either poole or us. So it's in there hands on who they prefer to face. If they would prefer to face us rather than poole then they could easily gift poole 4 points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 Negative? The biggest cup tie will be Belle Vue v the world champion, how is guaranteeing that it will happen negative? Looking at previous resuls and considering various 'what if' scenarios picking swindon (if we do finish top) would be a huge risk of missing the world champion on two counts, we could lose to Swindon again or the world champion could lose to Poole. Both possibilities have actually happened and none of the previous results were flukes. Talking of 'what if' apart from a crazy cup upset why do you think Swindon will beat Poole in the other semi? If you do what I do and base my opinions on real events instead of fantasies then looking at the season so far there is nothing to suggest it could happen is there? Most likely be a Wolves v Poole final. You won at Wolves when they had a pointless Kylmakorpi. It is far from guarranteed Swindon will make the play offs they need a point at Belle Vue or Lakeside neither easy places to get a point at. Swindon had a good result at Belle Vue with the flying Tungate at reserve, can't really see a repeat performance and if the don't it should be a cracking play off decider at Lakeside. These play offs are fantastic arn't they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 I think Wolves could be the dark horses of the competition. They haven't yet all fired at the same time and yet still been strong at home. If they can get Freddie & Howarth scoring well, then they could do it. I don't see Swindon or Lakeside with any chance. Think they will just be making up the numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 Ummm cos we got thrashed in the A meeting!! yes you were poor in the A fixture, doesn't mean you will be that poor again. Nicholls is good there too but not on his current form. In my opinion we should be using King, who is on good form and goes very well at Monmore. Nicholls has been poor all year. He scored 10 in the A and 15 in the B. King isn't keen on Monmore, and scored 4 in the A fixture. at Wolves Nicholls is always the better guest and is likely to outscore Hans most times. Wolves especially have a massive say remember. They are certain to finish 2nd/3rd. So know they will be facing either poole or us. So it's in there hands on who they prefer to face. If they would prefer to face us rather than poole then they could easily gift poole 4 points Only the team finishing top has any preference , and that is likely to be Belle Vue making picks completely out of our hands. It is a qualifying competition for the cup. The winners of the knockout cup bit are called league champions. This old chestnut again. There is no knockout cup bit, that's in your mind. It's simple to the vast majority that the play offs decide who wins the league. The league programme I agree decides which top 4 get to fight it out for the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 (edited) yes you were poor in the A fixture, doesn't mean you will be that poor again. Nicholls has been poor all year. He scored 10 in the A and 15 in the B. King isn't keen on Monmore, and scored 4 in the A fixture. at Wolves Nicholls is always the better guest and is likely to outscore Hans most times. Only the team finishing top has any preference , and that is likely to be Belle Vue making picks completely out of our hands. This old chestnut again. There is no knockout cup bit, that's in your mind. It's simple to the vast majority that the play offs decide who wins the league. The league programme I agree decides which top 4 get to fight it out for the title. Only us or poole will most likely finish top and we all know whoever does will pick swindon/lakeside leaving the 3rd placed team to face wolves so if wolves would prefer to face us rather than poole in the semis then they could gift poole 4 points to finish top leaving them to pick 4th spot and leave us to face you Edited September 4, 2016 by Phil The Ace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 4, 2016 Report Share Posted September 4, 2016 I'd agree with most of that. I did wonder how much of an advantage it was having Tungate at reserve that night and the answer is none! Usually a flying reserve would replace the other reserve in one race, that didn't happen. Tungate only had one extra reserve ride and that was to replace Wright. Had Tungate been at 2 and Wright at 6, based on what happened on the night, Tungate would probably have scored at least 11 and Wright would have probably scored at least 6, in fact it could easily have been a bigger defeat for Belle Vue! The play offs haven't started yet? We are cramming in a load of meetings in the hope the cup isn't raced for in the rain again, and like last season there is a bit of interest in who finishes 4th but I wouldn't call any of it 'fantastic' by any stretch of the imagination. I expect the cup to be good though when something worthwhile is at stake speedway, like any sport I suppose, is so much better isn't it? Riders gain confidence riding at reserve so if he rode in the main team he may not have scored as many as you say. The fact he didnt replace the other reserve in one race may have been because Swindon were winning or the other reserve was riding well too or Rosco is stupid! In recent years i dont remember plays offs ridden in the rain but there have been meetings called off. Hopefully none will be ridden in the rain as it detracts from the racing. The play offs are fantastic comment was tongue in cheek although as you know i love the play offs. yes you were poor in the A fixture, doesn't mean you will be that poor again. Nicholls has been poor all year. He scored 10 in the A and 15 in the B. King isn't keen on Monmore, and scored 4 in the A fixture. at Wolves Nicholls is always the better guest and is likely to outscore Hans most times. Only the team finishing top has any preference , and that is likely to be Belle Vue making picks completely out of our hands. This old chestnut again. There is no knockout cup bit, that's in your mind. It's simple to the vast majority that the play offs decide who wins the league. The league programme I agree decides which top 4 get to fight it out for the title. Hans scored 13 last time if Nicholls scores that i will be amazed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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