sparkafag Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 (edited) If you're saying I'm another poster then you are incorrect as this is and has for the last 12 years been my only sign in. You appear to have had an incorrect idea in your head and having made it up felt the need to share it with us. I guess at least you're consistent. The Elite shield article was from 18/6/16 so that's not two years ago and as the period of time was what you indicated made it irrelevant I take it now it is relevant or will you pick yet another reason why you don't like it now I've pointed out another error? If you read the post with an open mind you may not make these mistakes as you quickly rush to have things correspond with things in your head. We can agree on the headline dodging bit, odd as it is. "Second leg of the elite shield was described as a dead rubber by some" No, you (and or fred) are totally right, that really proves the point here, with comments like that oft kicking about it is neither wonder many fans (you and or fred) have such a perception.... I await you (and or fred) continuing with these kind of comments to further prove your (and or freds) point, I have no comeback to that, you (and or fred) have really shown me up there...a killer point, smacked out the park, more fool me for thinking these kind of statements aren't often made.... I do admit though though it's tough to keep up it is like mental gymnastics trying to work out if it is you or fred. awaits post from Fred Flange in next couple of minutes. "headline dodging" saying it is odd to read articles, Christ Edited August 16, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Looks like we're done here. You really do represent the very worst of this forum by dragging threads into some inane tennis match where no matter what is presented by way of facts is sidestepped for some other weird reason just to keep the "debate" going. You're perfectly happy to make things up and present them as fact but require others to continually validate their opinions only to dismiss them or go off at a tangent when proved wrong. It's both unfair and pointless but I'm sure you've enjoyed dangling me off your line recently. If that's how you get your kicks then I feel for you I really do. I'd say enjoy your speedway but I doubt you even go. I've got Colts, Sheffield, Aces, Stoke, Buxton and Aces again over the next eight days. That's how I get my kicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 (edited) :lol: Amazing Edited August 16, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Lol! You thought you had signed in as onion, made a deliberate stupid mistake, realised you hadn't signed in as onion so you had to go back and edit it to make it not look stupid. The games up, will the real onion step forward. Its not easy having multiple accounts you know. Can we see a selfie of you and ouch? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 I'm sure Swindon didn't intend to lose the meeting, that would have been pretty stupid especially with their fans, but they almkst certainly 99.9% did intend for Batchelor to have a low enough score to drop his average below 7. The unintended consequence of that was a significant factor, possibly the deciding factor, in then defeat. Interesting to read who took the Swindon cheating side of the discussion in the meeting thread, even onion, who has Swindon so far up his backside you can sometimes hear the robin twittering when he opens his gob, said he wasn't sure if Batch was cheating or not! Having said that in a qualifier and cup format that defeat wasn't the end of their hopes, they could cheat with Batchelor's score safe in the knowledge that even if the worst came to the worst and they lost the meeting they were cheating in they still had enough points available to secure a top four spot. Which was pretty much where this came in. Right then , just so we are clear on that, in answer to your own question "Didn't the Swindon team manager admit to losing qualifiers too fit Darcy in?" Orion says No , you say check they You Tube, which we all did, we seem to agree that what he actually said was "it was in the period when we were changing before Darcy came along". and now you agree there was no admission by Rosco that they intended to lose matches deliberately. So its all down to supposition . Some people may take the view Swindon cheated , others say they didn't. Nothing can be proven but certainly no admission by Swindon that they were deliberately losing matches, so I don't really see what that line of discussion adds to the topic. All clubs in all sports lose matches unintentionally whatever the nature of the competition. As for orion saying he wasn't sure if Batch was cheating or not, that was fair comment by him. . Of course Batch was having a few E.F's in suspicious circumstances but suspicion is not proof. Almost every meeting there are bike failures at some stage. That is a fact. It hasn't got much to do with the rights or wrongs of the paly offs though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 You thought you had signed in as onion, made a deliberate stupid mistake, realised you hadn't signed in as onion so you had to go back and edit it to make it not look stupid. The games up, will the real onion step forward. Its not easy having multiple accounts you know. Tell me about it! How long do you have? There was this bloke called gustix............ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Tell me about it! And this is Fred Flange's third account. Total disregard for forum rules having multiple accounts. How long do you have? There was this bloke called gustix............ Who was rightly banned. As should DropaCog/FredFlange/Wibble be. Many think he is Ouch as well.. the first three are certainties though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 I'm sure Swindon didn't intend to lose the meeting, I thought you spent most of this topic saying that they did ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 I know this is nieve of me but do some folk really have 2 names just to stir stuff up. Isn't life to short for that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Personal attacks? You've been implying I was lying for the last few weeks. If you can't take it don't dish it out. That's another personality trait I detest. What have your kids got to do with anything? Had I posted the same some sado would be going on about jackanory and then when the proof appeared I would be bragging! I always back up my posts You suggested I had a sad life and gave evidence to support that isn't the case. You have posted no 'proof'. So your 'back up' leaves a lot to be desired. If you have ever read my posts widely you would know I can take flak and criticism in equal measure to dishing it out. I haven't implied anything, I've been very clear about what I meant. I haven't suggested you didn't have a conversation with Tai and Sam or what you discussed was true or not. All I said was what they told you had no bearing on the truth or facts what may or may not happen this or next season. You were even steaming under the collar for me to ask Sam what was said was actually true. Talk about getting over excited. All I have suggested was that they have probably had hundreds of conversations with fans telling them what they want to hear. You included. I have had private conversations with Fast Freddie but you won't find me quoting those as fact either because whilst some are clearly unguarded comments the rest mostly the standard reply. Any intent YOU take from that conversation is jackanory because unless they happen it's just banter. Feel free to detest if you wish, it's not like I'm likely to give a fig anyway. Although the reply to any comment has become a bog standard thing now such is your need to have the final say on what is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 I know this is nieve of me but do some folk really have 2 names just to stir stuff up. Isn't life to short for that Fred Flange used to be Drop a Cog. He imploded around play off time last year, starting calling folk names and was banned before on his return abusing Phil the owner of the forum. He disappeared then, but 'Fred Flange' was created on the same day along with 'Wibble'. He doesn't use Wibble much apart from occasionally to support his own posts, or whenever you mention Wibble, he'll post as him to try and show how clever he is to have two accounts. Some people are of the belief that Ouch is also Drop a Cog/Fred Flange/Wibble, but I'm not certain on that one.. might be, might not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Mr dark lord troll please don't get angry with me and start telling lies about me, please, Mr troll I didn't realise how important you are so I promise I won't take the piss much again, please? There are no lies there Drop a Cog/Wibble/Fred. You clearly think it's clever to flout forum rules, it just shows you up to be a very sad individual. Don't implode again and start abusing people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 So, who is going to win the Elite League? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 So you keep telling us, yet those who have access to all the actual figures, in each and every major country that speedway operates team speedway, chooses to have a play off system. I ask you yet again, but in the knowledge you won't answer, why would they be choosing to use a system that you 'claim' brings in a lot less money? The question was raised about crowds in Sweden and the effect of play-offs. Here’s the data for the Elitserien: av attendance 1994 1009 1995 1135 1996 1089 1997 1137 1998 1172 1999 1796 Play-offs introduced av attendance excluding play-offs 2000 2261 2001 2781 2002 2678 2003 2847 2004 2864 2005 3029 2006 2602 2007 2742 Play-off final attendances 2000 12242 & 7464 2001 8639 & 9080 2002 5940 & 8035 2003 5468 & 8426 2004 5709 & 7526 2005 8703 & 7264 2006 7901 & 5899 2007 9398 & 8564 Note : Tony Rickardsson was world champion in 1994/98/99/2001/02/05 (and in top four for entire period 1996-2005. 2007 was the first time since 1989 when no Swede finished in the top four of the World Championship – Andreas Jonsson in 10th place was the top Swede. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Any recent data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 (edited) The question was raised about crowds in Sweden and the effect of play-offs. Here’s the data for the Elitserien: av attendance 1994 1009 1995 1135 1996 1089 1997 1137 1998 1172 1999 1796 Play-offs introduced av attendance excluding play-offs 2000 2261 2001 2781 2002 2678 2003 2847 2004 2864 2005 3029 2006 2602 2007 2742 Play-off final attendances 2000 12242 & 7464 2001 8639 & 9080 2002 5940 & 8035 2003 5468 & 8426 2004 5709 & 7526 2005 8703 & 7264 2006 7901 & 5899 2007 9398 & 8564 Note : Tony Rickardsson was world champion in 1994/98/99/2001/02/05 (and in top four for entire period 1996-2005. 2007 was the first time since 1989 when no Swede finished in the top four of the World Championship – Andreas Jonsson in 10th place was the top Swede. Thanks for that Arnieg. Pretty much blows Fred's argument out of the water. I didn't abuse Phil hine therefore you are a liar. Why do you have to troll at every opportunity? No wonder someone said they would rather pick up dog shyt than debate with you. Your last ever post as Drop a Cog before needing to create a new account. 02 October 2015 - 04:36 PM SCB, on 30 Sept 2015 - 11:10 AM, said: But if Lemo is correct that he contacted the referee to tell him.... I get the referee could miss it, thats fair enough and easy enough but when he was informed.... Anyway, has anyone seen Drop a Cog? I'm worried he's had a heart attack due to the play-offs! Or has got lost in that big crowd on Monday?! Banned until today, the quoted phrase was bigoted morons'? and the linked post was http://www.speedway-...indpost=2683526 I did try and contact Phil hine but he didn't have the balls or manners to reply, even via Facebook. See ya! When you say someone doesn't have the balls to even reply, that's essentially abusing them. As for your 'See ya" that didn't last long did it? Drop a Cog's infamous last post, 02 October 2015. Fred Flange account created on... wait for it! Oh 02 October 2015. As for Wibble, your other account, who only posted yesterday... funnily enough today he is now 'no longer active'!! Funny that! Edited August 17, 2016 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 (edited) Any recent data? 2008-10 here: http://speedwayhistorik.svemo.se/ [use the drop down menu: 'historik'] 2011 https://ta.svemo.se/Public/Pages/Serie/Audience/AudienceStatistics.aspx?SerieId=8 2012 https://ta.svemo.se/Public/Pages/Serie/Audience/AudienceStatistics.aspx?SerieId=199 2013 https://ta.svemo.se/Public/Pages/Serie/Audience/AudienceStatistics.aspx?SerieId=273 2014 https://ta.svemo.se/Public/Pages/Serie/Audience/AudienceStatistics.aspx?SerieId=590 2015 https://ta.svemo.se/Public/Pages/Serie/Audience/AudienceStatistics.aspx?SerieId=743 Edited August 17, 2016 by arnieg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 There are no lies there Drop a Cog/Wibble/Fred. You clearly think it's clever to flout forum rules, it just shows you up to be a very sad individual. Don't implode again and start abusing people. Personal attacks are already common place. Can't be long I'd imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 what are the dates for the play offs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 (edited) You are the forum traffic warden aren't you? Reporting forum 'abusers' lol! Sad sad man. Like I said I didn't abuse anyone you're just lying because you can't help it. The figures are interesting, I wonder why the rate that the attendances were increasing reduced so dramatically and even within a few years actually turned negative after the play off was introduced? I know you won't be able to understand a simple statistical analysis but get yourself a bit of graph paper and watch the gradient (slope, ha ha) flatten out. I'm not sure how to put it in simple enough terms for you to understand but put it this way, from your triumphant 'blows away' claim it looks like you wouldn't understand why £100 increasing by £5 a year isn't as good as £100 increasing by 5% a year but trust me, in the same way that those figures at best don't blow anything away, it is. I'm sure scb will be able to explain it, he does like his stats. I am good at stats but preferred pure maths if I'm honest. Anyway I'd stick to being the forum traffic warden if I were you, ha ha ha! Ahh diddums, put your dummy back in, poor Wibble has been closed. As for you being 'good at Maths', you might be, that doesn't stop you making an utter fool of yourself arguing a lost cause. Attendances will always fluctuate from year to year, the simple facts remain, the crowds for regular league meetings are far higher in Sweden since the playoffs than in the time preceding it. You wanted facts, Arnieg has provided them. Next you'll be arguing that Bilston Town get better gates than the FA Cup Final because they increased theirs from 100 to 125, whilst the cup Final gate went down by 100 people. Edited August 17, 2016 by BWitcher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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