Sings4Speedway Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 Still wont stop the riders wanting to get to the airport , and it would kill the MDL , which is the only real way of getting kids involved these days . you only have to look at the bottom end of this years NL . to see the good that MDL is doing . I know most people leave and dont watch it .but that doesnt matter , becuase the kids are part of a team and learning all the other aspects of speedway . they dont get paid and it costs nothing to stage . winner all round IMHO Its as if people think riders appear from nowhere and just have this natural talent the first time they ride a bike. Do people honestly think that the likes of Shanes, Hume, Ayres, Clegg and so on just appeared from nowhere or did they all ride 2nd Halves / MDL before they got to where they are today. Its truely disgusting the amount of fans & clubs who think there is no point running a 2nd half and yet are happy to moan even more when the next Jonny no good is signed from overseas. All clubs (within reason) should run a 2nd half or at least present the opportunity for one to be held. All MDL/NJL organising clubs should be allocated a certain number of representatives free (its shocking they have to pay for their scb memberships etc) and the refs should stop being so greedy and enable to potential of 2nd half double headers to take place. Its pointless trying to fix things in the present if you are not ensuring there are riders available for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 I wasn't really being serious. I was merely trying to point how useless League Matches are these days. They are just qualifying rounds for a different Competition - the 'Play Offs'. Could be, but it doesn't make the League Matches useless. Next you will be saying the same about Cup matches, but to chose a 'winner' there has to be some matches to select the final 2 teams. I wasn't really being serious. I was merely trying to point how useless League Matches are these days. They are just qualifying rounds for a different Competition - the 'Play Offs'. Could be, but it doesn't make the League Matches useless. Next you will be saying the same about Cup matches, but to chose a 'winner' there has to be some matches to select the final 2 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 Still wont stop the riders wanting to get to the airport , and it would kill the MDL , which is the only real way of getting kids involved these days . you only have to look at the bottom end of this years NL . to see the good that MDL is doing . I know most people leave and dont watch it .but that doesnt matter , becuase the kids are part of a team and learning all the other aspects of speedway . they dont get paid and it costs nothing to stage . winner all round IMHO I enjoy the mdl or having a look at newbies after meetings. Our riders have got in the habit of walking through the crowd to the pits at the end of mtgs which is a great opportunity for the fans to shake their hands, have a photo, a word or get an autograph .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 I enjoy the mdl or having a look at newbies after meetings. Our riders have got in the habit of walking through the crowd to the pits at the end of mtgs which is a great opportunity for the fans to shake their hands, have a photo, a word or get an autograph .... I would love to see a few of the senior team riders show a bit of interest in their young counterparts , and pass on a bit of advise /encouragement . I think some of them would be surprised how effective and appreciated a couple of minutes would be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 who is going to ride in these rider of the night events ? and furthermore who is going to pay them ? People are still banging on about bringing second halves back but still nobody has answered these two questions. Second halves are not going to happen until answers are found. Half the riders cant be bothered to ride in a prestigious event like the ELRC so they are not going to see much kudos in rider of the night, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 8, 2016 Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 on the subject of engine tuning ,it is become obvious that peter johns engine tuning has got a big edge over any of his rivals this season and riders not using his service are struggling,now that's great business for him but it is doing speedway no favours at all and now more than ever this issue of tuners needs to be addressed, the tuner is not what fans care about,they care about the rider, the need for the tuner has got to be reduced to just a servicer , it can be done with good leadership and strict rules ,has anybody in the current set up got the balls to take the challenge on, they will need balls to because riders and tuners will kick and scream before they agree to any change 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Don't disagree Dean, but see the fuss many fans make about gp riders not having their best bikes over here. Surely that's a good thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 on the subject of engine tuning ,it is become obvious that peter johns engine tuning has got a big edge over any of his rivals this season and riders not using his service are struggling,now that's great business for him but it is doing speedway no favours at all and now more than ever this issue of tuners needs to be addressed, the tuner is not what fans care about,they care about the rider, the need for the tuner has got to be reduced to just a servicer , it can be done with good leadership and strict rules ,has anybody in the current set up got the balls to take the challenge on, they will need balls to because riders and tuners will kick and scream before they agree to any change Imo, probably one of the biggest factors that is contributing to many problems within Speedway. It is one of the daftest ideas, to allow riders to have such differences in their bikes in a 'Team' sport. We've all got used to it being that way over the years, because it's been allowed to happen and evolve this way. If Speedway were to start again...would it make sense to allow this? Trying a way to 'Standardise' engines for League meetings imo, would be a massive shot in the arm for a better Speedway future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Watched the Coventry /Swindon match last night and yet again brought to light the need to address the power of engines within the the sport when they break away they are lethal even in the hands of exprerienced top level riders ,it has to stop never mind what the riders want or tuners for the matter.Both Tatum and Havvy were biting their tongues last night about aspects of the sport including restarts and engine power ,these men have 40yrs experience between them and they appear unable to speak out about important issues in our sport. I asked an informed person why all of a sudden Peter Karlsson was not the gater he was ( I ventured to say that it was an age thing) and the reply was to make the bike rideable he may have to compromise on setup ultimately effecting his gating thus not having to worry that he may be heading to the fence at any moment .This is a rider with 25yrs experience having to do this if it is true it is absolutely rediculous ,what is going to take before someone takes the bull by the horns a multitude of serious injuries of god forbid worse . The other thing that needs sorting for next year is starting IMO if a rider sits still and gets a flyer without touching the tapes so be it and if there is a restart for a false starts pit gate stays closed and straight round for the restart. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Watched the Coventry /Swindon match last night and yet again brought to light the need to address the power of engines within the the sport when they break away they are lethal even in the hands of exprerienced top level riders ,it has to stop never mind what the riders want or tuners for the matter.Both Tatum and Havvy were biting their tongues last night about aspects of the sport including restarts and engine power ,these men have 40yrs experience between them and they appear unable to speak out about important issues in our sport. I asked an informed person why all of a sudden Peter Karlsson was not the gater he was ( I ventured to say that it was an age thing) and the reply was to make the bike rideable he may have to compromise on setup ultimately effecting his gating thus not having to worry that he may be heading to the fence at any moment .This is a rider with 25yrs experience having to do this if it is true it is absolutely rediculous ,what is going to take before someone takes the bull by the horns a multitude of serious injuries of god forbid worse . The other thing that needs sorting for next year is starting IMO if a rider sits still and gets a flyer without touching the tapes so be it and if there is a restart for a false starts pit gate stays closed and straight round for the restart. Do they keep their mouth shut, so as not to make the sport look bad on TV...or because it will upset other people in the sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 on the subject of engine tuning ,it is become obvious that peter johns engine tuning has got a big edge over any of his rivals this season and riders not using his service are struggling,now that's great business for him but it is doing speedway no favours at all and now more than ever this issue of tuners needs to be addressed, the tuner is not what fans care about,they care about the rider, the need for the tuner has got to be reduced to just a servicer , it can be done with good leadership and strict rules ,has anybody in the current set up got the balls to take the challenge on, they will need balls to because riders and tuners will kick and scream before they agree to any change I think a good place to start would be with tyres . whats the good of an overpriced narrow power band engine if the tyre can't convert it to forward motion . you will never stop the Likes of Johns fleecing a few top riders for every bean he can bleed from the sport , but you can remove the advantage provided by the unecessary expense , hard compund tyres that last 3 meetings and back to a total ban on titanium .best place to start IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Do they keep their mouth shut, so as not to make the sport look bad on TV...or because it will upset other people in the sport? Sadly both reasons I suspect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 I think a good place to start would be with tyres . whats the good of an overpriced narrow power band engine if the tyre can't convert it to forward motion . you will never stop the Likes of Johns fleecing a few top riders for every bean he can bleed from the sport , but you can remove the advantage provided by the unecessary expense , hard compund tyres that last 3 meetings and back to a total ban on titanium .best place to start IMHO while i agree about the principle of tyres the reality is it won't achieve anything cause tuners will just try to get the best out of their engines to suit the tyre so riders will be buying new softer cams ,flywheels etc and paying for experimenting with the tuners so basically winner winner for the tuner , the sport needs to eliminate the tuner , regulated parts in a regulated engine ,find a set of springs , valves , piston ,rod , cam that works and lasts and everybody has to use them , is that so hard ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Drop the carb size to 28mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Drop the carb size to 28mm I think that's what Malcolm Simmons used to say also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 while i agree about the principle of tyres the reality is it won't achieve anything cause tuners will just try to get the best out of their engines to suit the tyre so riders will be buying new softer cams ,flywheels etc and paying for experimenting with the tuners so basically winner winner for the tuner , the sport needs to eliminate the tuner , regulated parts in a regulated engine ,find a set of springs , valves , piston ,rod , cam that works and lasts and everybody has to use them , is that so hard ? Unfortunately it's such a simple idea, it will pass many by, as there is no money to be made from people with influence. Riders and tuners will continually spend money, regardless of what new carb, tyre, silencer are thrown at them, to find an edge over the next rider. It's a retarded mentality...what is the point. It goes round and round in circles. Regulate and standardise as much as possible. It's not so hard...but people will always throw up reasons why it can't be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Drop the carb size to 28mm while all these ideas have a valid point they all have the same end result , the rider spends money on parts with the tuner to get round this , it has to be regulated parts/engine only then the tuner can only play with settings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 while i agree about the principle of tyres the reality is it won't achieve anything cause tuners will just try to get the best out of their engines to suit the tyre so riders will be buying new softer cams ,flywheels etc and paying for experimenting with the tuners so basically winner winner for the tuner , the sport needs to eliminate the tuner , regulated parts in a regulated engine ,find a set of springs , valves , piston ,rod , cam that works and lasts and everybody has to use them , is that so hard ?British Superbikes and Supersport have produce a good end result by regulating parts used,some great racing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Seems to be a trend nowadays that tracks "come to the riders" after a few heats, I assume that means gets more race able. How about mdl being run before the main match so that starts when the track has arrived as it were. Would also mean youngsters not having to hang about until stupid o'clock. There may be good reasons for not doing it, but most sports put the main event on at the end of the evening not the beginning. Would also stop "we are delaying the start to let the big crowd in" I'm not trying to put the youngsters down BTW, merely asking the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 At Lynn for instance the track may be too grippy for mdl riders possibly, I guess this wouldn't be a problem at most tracks though ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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