Tsunami Posted August 27, 2016 Report Share Posted August 27, 2016 We've just been told on another thread that an independent Supremo will not work. And I stand by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 What ever needs to be done to change the direction of speedway in the uk, I wont be involved after a short interview with Peter Gregory from the ACU last night. Finland has 5 teams in one league and I could spend 20hrs a week easily to work for their benefit. Just need compensation for spent time. You lot have three or four leagues with 30 odd teams and still cant create a package that could support any single individual to work full time to sort the mess that the sport is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 I've come up with a full plan to work on UK speedway from the ground up but unfortunately you will never please everyone But then again people are against to change but eventually come round All roads lead to a north / south league, 6 rider teams 34 point limit and no GP riders Standardised engines or at least limited tuning, one supplier for lubricants, fuel etc bringing the cost down for the riders with pricing negotiated by the series organisers I've come up with a full plan to work on UK speedway from the ground up but unfortunately you will never please everyone But then again people are against to change but eventually come round All roads lead to a north / south league, 6 rider teams 34 point limit and no GP riders Standardised engines or at least limited tuning, one supplier for lubricants, fuel etc bringing the cost down for the riders with pricing negotiated by the series organisers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 I've come up with a full plan to work on UK speedway from the ground up but unfortunately you will never please everyone But then again people are against to change but eventually come round All roads lead to a north / south league, 6 rider teams 34 point limit and no GP riders Standardised engines or at least limited tuning, one supplier for lubricants, fuel etc bringing the cost down for the riders with pricing negotiated by the series organisers I've come up with a full plan to work on UK speedway from the ground up but unfortunately you will never please everyone But then again people are against to change but eventually come round All roads lead to a north / south league, 6 rider teams 34 point limit and no GP riders Standardised engines or at least limited tuning, one supplier for lubricants, fuel etc bringing the cost down for the riders with pricing negotiated by the series organisers Only two weeks ago I was told that speedway is the cheapest motorcycle sport and probably the only one where there's a chance of income early on. The guy is a former world #3 in iceracing and heavily involved in the trade. Because speedway is an international sport, you cant IMO standardise equipment in one league of many. So I'd forget that. Lack of riders create's problems, so going to smaller teams would be a good, yet short time fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 Yes but look at how many riders have equipment for the UK and overseas, if you limit tuning they'll still have the right UK equipment. Take Lambert for example he'll have UK bikes and European machinery so it will not effect anyone. In British Superbikes they have limited modifications and it has worked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 All roads lead to a north / south league, 6 rider teams 34 point limit and no GP riders Don’t agree with that statement at all to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 We've just been told on another thread that an independent Supremo will not work. By who...someone with credibility...or just a forum member who's words mean nothing? I've come up with a full plan to work on UK speedway from the ground up but unfortunately you will never please everyone But then again people are against to change but eventually come round All roads lead to a north / south league, 6 rider teams 34 point limit and no GP riders Standardised engines or at least limited tuning, one supplier for lubricants, fuel etc bringing the cost down for the riders with pricing negotiated by the series organisers I've come up with a full plan to work on UK speedway from the ground up but unfortunately you will never please everyone But then again people are against to change but eventually come round All roads lead to a north / south league, 6 rider teams 34 point limit and no GP riders Standardised engines or at least limited tuning, one supplier for lubricants, fuel etc bringing the cost down for the riders with pricing negotiated by the series organisers I really do hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 I don't understand those fans who don't want to build british speedway and have no gp riders... You're literally missing about 3 riders, those who do the gp challenge will still do uk speedway until they get in the gps Under my ideas gp riders could still compete but I'd make it so that there are alot of meetings for those wanting to race here to earn a decent wage. If gp riders can committ to it then fine but I doubt many would paeticipate if you introduce a league, play offs and two cup competitions Not everyone can ride in poland etc you'll just see future gp stars in the uk improving themselves before reaching the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) I don't understand those fans who don't want to build british speedway and have no gp riders... You're literally missing about 3 riders, those who do the gp challenge will still do uk speedway until they get in the gps Under my ideas gp riders could still compete but I'd make it so that there are alot of meetings for those wanting to race here to earn a decent wage. If gp riders can committ to it then fine but I doubt many would paeticipate if you introduce a league, play offs and two cup competitions Not everyone can ride in poland etc you'll just see future gp stars in the uk improving themselves before reaching the top Because your ideas aren’t the be all and end all and fans quite like watching the best riders in the world compete in Britain? (at this moment in time you aren't literally missing 3, you are literally missing 7 and that is even excluding Woffinden) Edited August 29, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Is there 7 full time gp riders in the uk if you're looking towards next year and no chris harris.... When a sport is dead you make it work for the masses and future riders not the 6/7 riders who wouldn't miss or commit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 (edited) I don’t know how many GP riders there will be next season, it isn’t next season yet…. so to bring that up is futile and adds no weight in favour or against the point you are making despite a seeming notion that it would. The GP riders who are racing here have committed and generally don't miss.… Jonssson, Zagar, Harris, Doyle, Holder and Lindgren have an attendance record that is comparable to any of their team mates. It is straw man creation on your part to say those riders are the guilty party here, just as it is to lay the blame at their door for the sport “dying”. It is also well and good to position it that things would be better if GP riders weren’t here yes, it could just as easily be worse/could have been a lot worse – and their removal could bludgeon it “for the masses” even further, but there isn't the tangible evidence to prove/disprove that idea, yet despite that it still is placed that GP riders = bad, bad for the sport in this country. If anything though, there probably isn’t the evidence to suggest they (GP riders) are the cost drain/main issue here - they could just as easily pay for themselves due to the attendees they convince to stick with a club, sponsors they attract and the higher profile they raise. The number of years they have all returned/been asked back to race in GB suggests the majority of promotions don’t think they are the issue – the only people who position the likes of Lindgren, Zagar and Holder etc as issues are fans on a forum.. Of all the issues currently in this country, and there are many - I would hazard a guess that GP riders being here is lower down the list than is oft positioned, the above mentioned riders have brought a lot to British Speedway over the years. I find the genuine eagerness to turn backs on them quite bizarre, they have done little to actually merit that decision, they have been loyal servants who have genuinely only ever shown the sport in a good light – the main driver for their omission seems to be the costs involved in having them here, costs which most know little about in terms of what they actually cost, and what they actually bring in, and thus there really isn't any reason for them not to be here if clubs feel they can afford and accommodate them. Edited August 29, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Quite high given clubs generally attract both each season? I ment new sponsors & NEW supporters, what is the average age of current speedway supporters? I would guess it's about 50, speedway needs more NEW younger supporters, but we will not get them (or keep them) unless we have a sport with CREDIBILITY & that's not whats on offer in 2016. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 This thread is about 2017 so my ideas are based on next year, not sure if you have seen my ideas for next year but I'd suggest if you were a gp rider you may rule yourself out. If riders can't double up as its a north/south split they will need lots of meetings to earn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) We'll be here this time next year, those whose hearts are still beating that is, still discussing what speedway needs to draw crowds like years ago. And, 12 months on... we'll still be attacking fellow speedway folk who, afterall, are on a forum because of their collective fondness of the sport but rip holes out of each other because it is not an idea another poster wants. And you really wonder why promoters never listen to us, instead having the barefaced cheek to protect all that money they've invested. It is like having that ideal woman but wanting to change at least 20 things you don't like about her, so that others who don't know her, haven't seen her or know she even exists, will be attracted to her. Then your mate - get this - has the cheek to add a 21st thing to your list of dislikes.... and you end by defending her... and, also, by arguing and throwing insults at each other. Edited August 30, 2016 by moxey63 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 (edited) This thread is about 2017 so my ideas are based on next year, not sure if you have seen my ideas for next year but I'd suggest if you were a gp rider you may rule yourself out. If riders can't double up as its a north/south split they will need lots of meetings to earn I don't think your ideas that good, nor do I get why it's positioned like a actual thing people have to decide on or not.... Edited August 30, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted August 30, 2016 Report Share Posted August 30, 2016 We shall be here next year for sure lol but there are people who have been involved in sport who have good ideas but its human nature to object to change which you don't have to agree with but ultimately you have to respect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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