Sings4Speedway Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 At Lynn for instance the track may be too grippy for mdl riders possibly, I guess this wouldn't be a problem at most tracks though ..... Possibly although one of the issues that MDL riders find when stepping up into league racing is the lack of set ups / experience on anything other than heavily raced slick tracks. Will never happen though as no promoters will risk a MDL match taking place first, a crash happening and then holding up the mail event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Possibly although one of the issues that MDL riders find when stepping up into league racing is the lack of set ups / experience on anything other than heavily raced slick tracks. Will never happen though as no promoters will risk a MDL match taking place first, a crash happening and then holding up the mail event. They could always start earlier, tho I know that's not an option at Kent, prob not at Wolves cos of the doggies and some others with restrictions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 while all these ideas have a valid point they all have the same end result , the rider spends money on parts with the tuner to get round this , it has to be regulated parts/engine only then the tuner can only play with settings If that happened the riders might have to rely totally on their own skills perish the thought 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 If that happened the riders might have to rely totally on their own skills perish the thought If that happened it would become the age of the micro pilot. The smallest lightest riders would go fastest as they would effectively be ballast and the bigger guys like zagar would be a thing of the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 If that happened it would become the age of the micro pilot. The smallest lightest riders would go fastest as they would effectively be ballast and the bigger guys like zagar would be a thing of the past. next season there is talk of the FIM introducing a minimum bike and rider weight instead of just bike to address that exact issue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Will never happen though as no promoters will risk a MDL match taking place first, a crash happening and then holding up the mail event. Why not just run them during the main match? Run them in-between blocks of heats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Why not just run them during the main match? Run them in-between blocks of heats. Nah, you need some continuity during a meeting .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 (edited) If that happened it would become the age of the micro pilot. The smallest lightest riders would go fastest as they would effectively be ballast and the bigger guys like zagar would be a thing of the past. Do nothing and let them get faster and faster tilll say one of the top riders in the world meets his demise as a direct cause being a passenger on an overtuned missile !!!! Edited August 9, 2016 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Seems to be a trend nowadays that tracks "come to the riders" after a few heats, I assume that means gets more race able. How about mdl being run before the main match so that starts when the track has arrived as it were. Would also mean youngsters not having to hang about until stupid o'clock. There may be good reasons for not doing it, but most sports put the main event on at the end of the evening not the beginning. Would also stop "we are delaying the start to let the big crowd in" I'm not trying to put the youngsters down BTW, merely asking the question. At Lakeside most meetings they have youngsters from the Hagon Shocks Academy doing 6 heats at 7.30 before the main event starts at 8 pm. Hardly anyone turns up to watch. There is hardly anybody there to see it.The vast majority of the crowd turn up between 7.45 and the 8pm. It's a good idea to give the juniors the oppotunity to move from the training track to the main track but it doesn't bring the crowds in. The juniors ride totally different lines to the seniors but when it "comes to the riders" I think that has more to do with the track conditions changing as the temperature drops and moisture from watering dries out especially if it was heavily watered dur,ing them day, but actually Leigh Lanham is the only rider Inhave ever heard use that expression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Taken from another thread but for 2017 how about air fences that don't lift upon impact. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Taken from another thread but for 2017 how about air fences that don't lift upon impact. Well its a start I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 What I find annoying from the bits of speedway I watch,the constant need for restarts when someone or other gets a flier. As long as the tapes aren't touched, what's wrong with that? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) I have said before and it has been said on here, British Speedway needs to head back to basics and grow the sport from bottom up meaning no GP riders and giving UK based riders more opportunities for a pay-day. Bikes should feature standard engines or "limited" tuning to keep costs down and in theory have bikes more equal so its down to ability - pay structure should be fixed as already stated somewhere on this thread. British League South should consist of 10 teams riding Home & Away once, top 4 into Play-Offs British League North as above Mock Up of potential teams British League South POOLE - SAM MASTERS - PAUL STARKE - BJARNE PEDERSEN - KYLE NEWMAN - ADAM ELLIS - MAX CLEGG IPSWICH - DANNY KING - GINO MANZARES - NICO COVATTI - MORTEN RISAGER - BRADLEY DEAN - DANYON HUME KINGS LYNN - ROBERT LAMBERT - SIMON STEAD - MIKKEL MICHELSEN - LEWIS ROSE - KAI HUCKENBECK - JOSH BAILEY LAKESIDE - KIM NILSSON - RYAN DOUGLAS - LEWIS BRIDGER - LEWIS KERR - LUKE CHESSELL - ROB MEAR SWINDON - LEE PAYNE- CHARLES WRIGHT - NICK MORRIS - JUSTIN SEDGMAN - JOSH AUTY - TOM STOKES KENT - RORY SCHLEIN - STUART ROBSON - CAMERON HEEPS - TROY BATCHELOR - DANNY AYRES - LUKE BOWEN SOMERSET -JOSH GRAJCZONEK - KYLE HOWARTH - JAKE ALLEN - TY PROCTOR - ZACH WAIJKNECHT - ALEX DAVIES PETERBORO - KENNETH BJERRE - LASSE BJERRE - SCOTT NICHOLLS - TOM PERRY - SIMON LAMBERT - JAMES SHANES RYE HOUSE - EDDIE KENNETT - KASPER LYKKE - RICKY WELLS - NIKOLAJ BUSK JAKOBSEN - BEN MORLEY - ROB BRANFORD PLYMOUTH - BRADY KURTZ - JACK HOLDER - TODD KURTZ - NICKOLAS PORSING - STEFAN NIELSEN - CONNOR COLES BRITISH LEAGUE NORTH COVENTRY - CHRIS HARRIS - JAMES SARJEANT - JASON GARRITY - BEN BARKER - JOE JACOBS - LIAM CARR LEICESTER - PATRICK HOUGARD - NICOLAI KLINDT - LUDVIG LINDGREN - SZYMON WOZNIAK - CARL WILKINSON - CONNOR MOUNTAIN BELLE VUE - RICHIE WORRALL - ROHAN TUNGATE - JOSH BATES - RENE BACH - ADAM ROYNON - DAN BEWLEY WOLVES - MAX FRICKE - PETER KARLSSON - KACPER WORYNA - DENNIS JONSSON - MASON COMPTON - ELLIS PERKS EDINBURGH - CRAIG COOK - ERIK RISS - MARK RISS - KEVIN WOLBERT - HENNING BAGER - JAKE KNIGHT NEWCASTLE - STEVE WORRALL - MATEJ KUS - MICHAEL PALM-TOFT - VICTOR PALOVAARA - DAKOTA NORTH - JACOB BUKHAVE SHEFFIELD - DIMITRI BERGE - MADS KORNELIUSSEN - CLAUS VISSING - SEB ALDEN - ARTHUR SISSIS - NATHAN GREAVES WORKINGTON - RYAN FISHER - ULRICH OSTERGAARD - RASMUS JENSEN - DAVID BELLEGO - MATTHEW WETHERS - DANNY PHILLIPS BERWICK - JACOB THORSELL - EDUARD KRCMAR - KEVIN DOOLAN - THEO PIJPER - THOMAS JORGENSEN - LUKE PRIEST GLASGOW - RICHARD LAWSON - AARON SUMMERS - FERNANDO GARCIA - NIKE LUNNA - KENNETH HANSEN - ASHLEY MORRIS League meetings over a 15 heat format with the old tactical rule - points scored 3-2-1-0 using the current points system. Seperate Regional Cup Competition contested over the old 13 heat format with points scored 4-3-2-0 British Cup Competition featuring both sets of teams in a random - 13heat format but with TWO nomiated heats making it 15 normal points awarded All the above keeps things fresh and interesting. Edited August 10, 2016 by CookieIpswich 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Both Tatum and Havvy were biting their tongues last night about aspects of the sport including restarts and engine power ,these men have 40yrs experience between them and they appear unable to speak out about important issues in our sport. This was so frustrating on Monday. I don't know if Kelvin can't speak out or not, he mentioned he had some technical ideas for improving the sport but that co-commentator person failed to ask him to expand on this between other heats. Something that would have been so interesting to hear. Does anybody know if Kelvin as ever spoken about this before and what his thoughts are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Those above teams look even worse than PL. very watered down. No thanks. Would rather have the teams we have now but something needs to be changed with the draft and the format. Should set a point limit for all 7 riders like before but make it that each team is to have a min of 2 Brits in the 7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Lets me honest about the above teams..... its a list of most of the current Elite League riders with a handful removed because of GP commitments - and they are replaced with a few extra British riders stepping up from the National League...so its actually a mixture between the two.... Depends what way you look at it, but British Speedway needs to rebuild from the bottom up and it would mean teams looking similar to the list I have provided above. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 (edited) I can only assume the logistics of fixture arrangement for that Northern section would be a nightmare. Part of the appeal of a watered down product would surely be the idea that clubs could consistently race on their set race night? To me that looks like a lot of clubs who would be wanting Friday/Saturday night speedway which instantly means several clashes and changed race nights before considering SWC (if in UK), SGP at Cardiff, National events and the weather being thrown into the mix. One of biggest issues with Speedway is consistency around fixtures I am not sure that league structure actually eradicates those issues. If anything could possibly add to it as the PL is currently structured not too badly in terms of split across Thursday/Friday/Saturday/Sunday I do feel such intricacies and nuisances are often forgotten when the idea is floated re bringing the leagues together. Edited August 10, 2016 by The Mockingjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 I have said before and it has been said on here, British Speedway needs to head back to basics and grow the sport from bottom up meaning no GP riders and giving UK based riders more opportunities for a pay-day. Bikes should feature standard engines or "limited" tuning to keep costs down and in theory have bikes more equal so its down to ability - pay structure should be fixed as already stated somewhere on this thread. British League South should consist of 10 teams riding Home & Away once, top 4 into Play-Offs British League North as above Mock Up of potential teams British League South POOLE - SAM MASTERS - PAUL STARKE - BJARNE PEDERSEN - KYLE NEWMAN - ADAM ELLIS - MAX CLEGG IPSWICH - DANNY KING - GINO MANZARES - NICO COVATTI - MORTEN RISAGER - BRADLEY DEAN - DANYON HUME KINGS LYNN - ROBERT LAMBERT - SIMON STEAD - MIKKEL MICHELSEN - LEWIS ROSE - KAI HUCKENBECK - JOSH BAILEY LAKESIDE - KIM NILSSON - RYAN DOUGLAS - LEWIS BRIDGER - LEWIS KERR - LUKE CHESSELL - ROB MEAR SWINDON - LEE PAYNE- CHARLES WRIGHT - NICK MORRIS - JUSTIN SEDGMAN - JOSH AUTY - TOM STOKES KENT - RORY SCHLEIN - STUART ROBSON - CAMERON HEEPS - TROY BATCHELOR - DANNY AYRES - LUKE BOWEN SOMERSET -JOSH GRAJCZONEK - KYLE HOWARTH - JAKE ALLEN - TY PROCTOR - ZACH WAIJKNECHT - ALEX DAVIES PETERBORO - KENNETH BJERRE - LASSE BJERRE - SCOTT NICHOLLS - TOM PERRY - SIMON LAMBERT - JAMES SHANES RYE HOUSE - EDDIE KENNETT - KASPER LYKKE - RICKY WELLS - NIKOLAJ BUSK JAKOBSEN - BEN MORLEY - ROB BRANFORD PLYMOUTH - BRADY KURTZ - JACK HOLDER - TODD KURTZ - NICKOLAS PORSING - STEFAN NIELSEN - CONNOR COLES BRITISH LEAGUE NORTH COVENTRY - CHRIS HARRIS - JAMES SARJEANT - JASON GARRITY - BEN BARKER - JOE JACOBS - LIAM CARR LEICESTER - PATRICK HOUGARD - NICOLAI KLINDT - LUDVIG LINDGREN - SZYMON WOZNIAK - CARL WILKINSON - CONNOR MOUNTAIN BELLE VUE - RICHIE WORRALL - ROHAN TUNGATE - JOSH BATES - RENE BACH - ADAM ROYNON - DAN BEWLEY WOLVES - MAX FRICKE - PETER KARLSSON - KACPER WORYNA - DENNIS JONSSON - MASON COMPTON - ELLIS PERKS EDINBURGH - CRAIG COOK - ERIK RISS - MARK RISS - KEVIN WOLBERT - HENNING BAGER - JAKE KNIGHT NEWCASTLE - STEVE WORRALL - MATEJ KUS - MICHAEL PALM-TOFT - VICTOR PALOVAARA - DAKOTA NORTH - JACOB BUKHAVE SHEFFIELD - DIMITRI BERGE - MADS KORNELIUSSEN - CLAUS VISSING - SEB ALDEN - ARTHUR SISSIS - NATHAN GREAVES WORKINGTON - RYAN FISHER - ULRICH OSTERGAARD - RASMUS JENSEN - DAVID BELLEGO - MATTHEW WETHERS - DANNY PHILLIPS BERWICK - JACOB THORSELL - EDUARD KRCMAR - KEVIN DOOLAN - THEO PIJPER - THOMAS JORGENSEN - LUKE PRIEST GLASGOW - RICHARD LAWSON - AARON SUMMERS - FERNANDO GARCIA - NIKE LUNNA - KENNETH HANSEN - ASHLEY MORRIS League meetings over a 15 heat format with the old tactical rule - points scored 3-2-1-0 using the current points system. Seperate Regional Cup Competition contested over the old 13 heat format with points scored 4-3-2-0 British Cup Competition featuring both sets of teams in a random - 13heat format but with TWO nomiated heats making it 15 normal points awarded All the above keeps things fresh and interesting. I agree with your sentiment...however, i'd still like to keep seven man teams if at all possible. But I really do like your ideas and agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 why isnt scunny in there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieIpswich Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Two teams have to be cut - Scunny and Redcar to boss it in the National League...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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