Woofy's Thoughts About The Team G.b. Set-up

[Vincent Blachshadow]

Who pays the riders' expenses for this shindig, the event organisers or the riders' national body?

[Daniel Smith]

Who pays the riders' expenses for this shindig, the event organisers or the riders' national body?

 

Expenses are covered by the BSPA and as far as I'm aware, the BSPA do receive payments for SWC representation & fee's for UK GP's.

 

This is also why the British Final highest positioned none GP rider gets the Wildcard too

[Steve Shovlar]

What about government funding? Has it ever been applied for? The Sports Council gives tens of millions a year to football, the richest sport of them all. Millions to rugby, athletics, even two bob sports like archery and sycronised swimming.

 

Surely putting together a very good synopsis of what would be attained with the funding could put speedway in a position where a few hundred thousand could come our way?

[SCB]

What about government funding? Has it ever been applied for? The Sports Council gives tens of millions a year to football, the richest sport of them all. Millions to rugby, athletics, even two bob sports like archery and sycronised swimming.

 

Surely putting together a very good synopsis of what would be attained with the funding could put speedway in a position where a few hundred thousand could come our way?

Trying to get anything for motorsport is damn near impossible

[Trees]

 

Expenses are covered by the BSPA and as far as I'm aware, the BSPA do receive payments for SWC representation & fee's for UK GP's.

 

This is also why the British Final highest positioned none GP rider gets the Wildcard too

If the BSPA receive monies for SWC participation it can't be much because the Aussies wouldn't have had the begging bowl out? Edited August 2, 2016 by Trees

[uk_martin]

What about government funding? Has it ever been applied for? The Sports Council gives tens of millions a year to football, the richest sport of them all. Millions to rugby, athletics, even two bob sports like archery and sycronised swimming.

 

Surely putting together a very good synopsis of what would be attained with the funding could put speedway in a position where a few hundred thousand could come our way?

 

Ah, but is the government funding directed at the Professional game, or at the grass roots amateur incarnations? Ask the Sports Council to give some millions to Arsenal and I suspect you'll get a different response to asking them for money to fund a project for community football in a run-down inner-city area. Same will go for any other sport I suspect.

If the BSPA receive monies for SWC participation it can't be much because the Aussies wouldn't have had the begging bowl out?

 

Why should the BSPA receive money from the FIM/BSI beyond the expenses for the riders and their crews? Does any other National governing body get anything? In fact your comment about the Aussies and the fact that the Russian riders had to pay their own way seems to answer that one adequately.

 

Many FIM competitions that BSI are not involved in, such as the u21 championships require entrance fees, special liceses that have to be paid for and special insurance that the riders need to pay for. Just be grateful that the SWC sees money going the other way, presumably because of what BSI generate in TV revenues etc

[tellboy]

 

Ah, but is the government funding directed at the Professional game, or at the grass roots amateur incarnations? Ask the Sports Council to give some millions to Arsenal and I suspect you'll get a different response to asking them for money to fund a project for community football in a run-down inner-city area. Same will go for any other sport I suspect.

 

 

Well it would be a good start if they did fund speedway at grass roots level.

[uk_martin]

Well it would be a good start if they did fund speedway at grass roots level.

 

Feel free to put together a full business case for how speedway at grass roots level will be good for an all-inclusive community, how it will help health and well-being, how it will promote social and cultural understanding, and of course dont forget to show how it will help celebrate diversity and promote equality, and all the other "politicaly correct" things that politicians and their civil servants look for in a plan, and then head straight over to the Sports Council with it.

 

Now that we're Brexiting, the Government will soon have £350m extra a week to spend on stuff (it said so on the side of a bus) so how could you possibly fail?

[Deano]

 

Feel free to put together a full business case for how speedway at grass roots level will be good for an all-inclusive community, how it will help health and well-being, how it will promote social and cultural understanding, and of course dont forget to show how it will help celebrate diversity and promote equality, and all the other "politicaly correct" things that politicians and their civil servants look for in a plan, and then head straight over to the Sports Council with it.

 

Now that we're Brexiting, the Government will soon have £350m extra a week to spend on stuff (it said so on the side of a bus) so how could you possibly fail?

 

With double up riders everywhere there is no incentive for the government to invest as one more speedway rider doesn't increase the tax received. Perhaps getting kids off the streets and out of trouble or ex troublesome going nowhere in and out of prison society drop outs could help get funding?

[Gresham]

From what I can see, the biggest problem is actually starting out in speedway in this Country.

 

Compared to Moto X, speedway is much harder.

 

It's more specialised, and less accessible.

 

So many Moto x tracks in this country compared to speedway tracks you can train at.

 

How do Moto x get planning so easily compared to Speedway? Or is it not tried?

 

What's the actual cost to produce a training track on say some farmers field in the middle of nowhere?

 

Would the likes of Poland, Russia, Czech Republic, Australia, USA, France, Germany etc, have as many restrictions in place for people to practice on.

 

Was reading somewhere recently, that one family in Germany had built a speedway track for their kids to train on, that was on land at the back of their garden.

[uk_martin]

Numbers of riders starting off in the sport is one thing but what when they do make a start, then what? There is a whole National League and some development leagues full of riders who have made the start. Lots of them....now compare that with the slack handful that ride in the USA and the dozen lads in Latvia who ride, and you will see that numbers in Britain isn't the biggest problem.

 

What I find incomprehensible is that out of the dozen Latvians, on the one track in the country, 5 of them made it to the Speedway World Cup, by means of qualification, not seeding, and shamed the British team in the final. There aren't that many riders in the USA, and their tracks are even harder to stumble across, and are tiny compared to any in Europe, and always have been, but their strike rate of producing world class stars has been amazing.

 

So what is going wrong with what we do here that strangles the potential of the kids who do make a start in the sport? How come we can't turn 50% of the riders who start in the sport here into SWC-level performers like Latvia do? Why can't we produce a string of world champions and stars like the USA have, again with less resources than we have here already?

[speedibee]

Richard hall without a ride . arthur sissis still has . say no more !!

[Gresham]

Numbers of riders starting off in the sport is one thing but what when they do make a start, then what? There is a whole National League and some development leagues full of riders who have made the start. Lots of them....now compare that with the slack handful that ride in the USA and the dozen lads in Latvia who ride, and you will see that numbers in Britain isn't the biggest problem.

 

What I find incomprehensible is that out of the dozen Latvians, on the one track in the country, 5 of them made it to the Speedway World Cup, by means of qualification, not seeding, and shamed the British team in the final. There aren't that many riders in the USA, and their tracks are even harder to stumble across, and are tiny compared to any in Europe, and always have been, but their strike rate of producing world class stars has been amazing.

 

So what is going wrong with what we do here that strangles the potential of the kids who do make a start in the sport? How come we can't turn 50% of the riders who start in the sport here into SWC-level performers like Latvia do? Why can't we produce a string of world champions and stars like the USA have, again with less resources than we have here already?

How much time practicing on a bike regularly do those abroad get compared to those in the UK?

 

I understand there are many tracks abroad where you can still rock up and practice pretty much most days. Open to correction on that, but there certainly used to be.

 

Where can you do that in the UK on a regular basis?

[racers and royals]

Numbers of riders starting off in the sport is one thing but what when they do make a start, then what? There is a whole National League and some development leagues full of riders who have made the start. Lots of them....now compare that with the slack handful that ride in the USA and the dozen lads in Latvia who ride, and you will see that numbers in Britain isn't the biggest problem.

 

What I find incomprehensible is that out of the dozen Latvians, on the one track in the country, 5 of them made it to the Speedway World Cup, by means of qualification, not seeding, and shamed the British team in the final. There aren't that many riders in the USA, and their tracks are even harder to stumble across, and are tiny compared to any in Europe, and always have been, but their strike rate of producing world class stars has been amazing.

 

So what is going wrong with what we do here that strangles the potential of the kids who do make a start in the sport? How come we can't turn 50% of the riders who start in the sport here into SWC-level performers like Latvia do? Why can't we produce a string of world champions and stars like the USA have, again with less resources than we have here already?

Don`t forget the Riga track is up and running and I think is used for training and meetings.

[speedibee]

Numbers of riders starting off in the sport is one thing but what when they do make a start, then what? There is a whole National League and some development leagues full of riders who have made the start. Lots of them....now compare that with the slack handful that ride in the USA and the dozen lads in Latvia who ride, and you will see that numbers in Britain isn't the biggest problem.

 

What I find incomprehensible is that out of the dozen Latvians, on the one track in the country, 5 of them made it to the Speedway World Cup, by means of qualification, not seeding, and shamed the British team in the final. There aren't that many riders in the USA, and their tracks are even harder to stumble across, and are tiny compared to any in Europe, and always have been, but their strike rate of producing world class stars has been amazing.

 

So what is going wrong with what we do here that strangles the potential of the kids who do make a start in the sport? How come we can't turn 50% of the riders who start in the sport here into SWC-level performers like Latvia do? Why can't we produce a string of world champions and stars like the USA have, again with less resources than we have here already?

The Usa have produced No world champions at all . we have done it for them .

[HAMMER180]

Until our riders start racing in Poland Sweden or Denmark then

I don't think we will really challenge for gold.the countries above

and Australia all ride in all three or at least two every week and

most over here too and all except woffy and scotty Nichols only

get rides over here.so until they can and compete with the best

week in week out then it just wont happen.

The lower leagues in the 3 countries wont even have us

Sweden looks like all swedes Denmark all danes and Poland

all poles or aussies. We need the riders to get themselves

in the shop window.

[uk_martin]

Richard hall without a ride . arthur sissis still has . say no more !!

 

Richard Hall = 31. Arthur Ssissis = 21 - I shall say no more as it is pretty much off topic.

Don`t forget the Riga track is up and running and I think is used for training and meetings.

 

OK, so they now have two tracks. Apart from the aborted GP at Riga I wasn't aware of anything happening there.

The Usa have produced No world champions at all . we have done it for them .

 

OK, so does Britain take credit for Ivan Mauger, Barry Briggs, Hans Nielsen, and uncle Tom Cobley and all too? God dammit, we're good aren't we?

[racers and royals]

 

Richard Hall = 31. Arthur Ssissis = 21 - I shall say no more as it is pretty much off topic.

 

OK, so they now have two tracks. Apart from the aborted GP at Riga I wasn't aware of anything happening there.

 

OK, so does Britain take credit for Ivan Mauger, Barry Briggs, Hans Nielsen, and uncle Tom Cobley and all too? God dammit, we're good aren't we?

GP challenge semi-final in 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4I_661VBpY

Edited August 3, 2016 by racers and royals

[speedibee]

 

Richard Hall = 31. Arthur Ssissis = 21 - I shall say no more as it is pretty much off topic.

 

OK, so they now have two tracks. Apart from the aborted GP at Riga I wasn't aware of anything happening there.

 

OK, so does Britain take credit for Ivan Mauger, Barry Briggs, Hans Nielsen, and uncle Tom Cobley and all too? God dammit, we're good aren't we?

you really are a halfwit aren't you , you quote latvians and admit to not knowing anything about whats going on there , well heres a shock for you , they were not 5 riders who had been going round in a field somewhere and turned up at the world cup . Daugavpils race in the Polish league and are currently second in their division , and some of the 5 are regulars in Polish elite league .. yes britain does take credit for Ivan Mauger, Barry Briggs , and Ronnie Moore , lets go halfwit...... .name an Australian, American , or Kiwi , who were not riding in Our leagues when they won their world titles . your silence will speak volumes on your lack of knowledge here . as far as Im aware Hans Nielsen and all the other nordic world champions started riding in the leagues in their own country and became skilled professional riders there so I make and never have made any claim for their success whatsoever .

[Humphrey Appleby]

Why should the BSPA receive money from the FIM/BSI beyond the expenses for the riders and their crews? Does any other National governing body get anything?

In most serious sports the international governing body makes grants to its member federations from the monies generated from the competitions under its control. The FIM is reasonably unique in selling off its premier competitions without guaranteeing at least a percentage of the profits, and probably quite unique in paying prize monies whilst another company makes the profits.

 

What is clear is that BSI make about 1.5 million quid in profit each year, whilst the FIM banks about 1.5 million from them. From memory, about half of the FIM's cut goes on prize money for the SGP and SWC, which suggests there's another 0.75 or so million going into the FIM coffers.

 

The FIM is complicated by the fact that motorcycle sport is multi-disciplinary, so it's probably difficult to demarcate its monies exactly. I'd imagine though that the money goes towards general administration and supporting its less prestigious competitions like the U21 and Youth events.

 

I think the point though, is Britain along with Poland, Sweden and to some extent Denmark, are the only federations that provide full-time employment to the riders used by the SGP. So I don't think it unreasonable at all that a competition making money from the employees of others should be expected to provide some sort of compensation. It happens in other professional sports.