speed ace Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 The problem is that #7's have two protected races (2 & 4) against their opposite no. 7, so it could be argued that this arrangement is different from anyone that is not a #7 whose average might fit. So what about Peterborough, seems to make a mockery of protecting rides, forcing team managers on opposite side unable to make a change in heat 4 and lowering the riders confidence for the rest of the meeting. And who is eligible to guest at #7 for Holub? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 So what about Peterborough, seems to make a mockery of protecting rides, forcing team managers on opposite side unable to make a change in heat 4 and lowering the riders confidence for the rest of the meeting. And who is eligible to guest at #7 for Holub? Anybody with 3.07 average or less which is not a lot different from a 3 pointer, must admit the rules are very confusing with paragraphs within paragraphs and subsections , is it any wonder officials can't get it right, and when they get it wrong they offer reasons why such a thing has happened and try to make it look acceptable even though they know its not correct . The rules are an embarrassment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 I agree with the panthers supporter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewinder Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 That a very simplistic view of track preparation and who's decision it is. Knowing four ' track- men' from around the country only one gets paid and they all prepare the track to the home riders requirements, not the crowd. Even when Redcar had a paid track man, not everybody was happy and Redcar is built on rubbish tip with no special base and sits next to a large river which creates its own issues. Scunthorpe is a great racing track but it's not deep, it's the type of shale they use that some riders don't like. Personally I think it's good, but it certainly does not attract a bigger crowd because of track preparation although it produces great racing. The internet is full of praise for the quality of racing at Redcar this season. It appears every season we have a struggling team the racing is good because the home riders have to fight for every point. Even Mr.Havelock's biggest critics who have attended recently have made comment on the quality of the racing. Peterbrough was not prepared for the crowds benefit but was prepared very well for the whole weekend by very knowledgable track staff. It appears Redcar and many others don't do what you want them to do, probably all for the same reasons, lack of cash and riders demands. I'll give you a simplistic answer, forget about the riders demands, (unless they are prepared to ride for nothing) and think more about, the paying spectators demands. Then maybe, the lack of cash problem will diminish. Speedway is in the entertainment business, so like HT say's he wants entertaining. That doesn't mean deep tracks, it means riding on graded tracks, with the shale pulled back. In the Edinburgh match (not that entertaining), the slick line developed very quickly (with blue groove in evidence), the outside built up with shale, which became so deep it was useless to go into it. Bjerre and Bellego found that out to their cost when they got forced into it and came off. All that meant a one line track and follow the leader racing. Sorry but that's not great speedway and I fear it was a contributing factor, in the bears defeat. Speedway will die if it follows your apathetic view. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 Anybody with 3.07 average or less which is not a lot different from a 3 pointer, must admit the rules are very confusing with paragraphs within paragraphs and subsections , is it any wonder officials can't get it right, and when they get it wrong they offer reasons why such a thing has happened and try to make it look acceptable even though they know its not correct . The rules are an embarrassmentSo, let's assume at some point somehow a guest is required for the original nl eligible #7 who is now in main body of team, who is eligible to guest for him, bearing in mind all teams must have a rider eligible to ride nl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted July 31, 2016 Report Share Posted July 31, 2016 So, let's assume at some point somehow a guest is required for the original nl eligible #7 who is now in main body of team, who is eligible to guest for him, bearing in mind all teams must have a rider eligible to ride nl? See your point ,well Panthers were using r/r for Perry whilst he was out injured as he was 4th in team average rules applied was 1 rider above plus 5th and 2 reserves could take his rides you can argue as much as you like whether it's right or wrong same as you could argue that he was supposed to be the protected NO7 without any protection . The problem being that the powers that be didn't have the wisdom to believe that a protected NO7 would ride well enough to get in the main body of the team . I thought regardless of what he achieved he was to be the permanent NO7 for the season as well as all the other NO7's but obviously that's not so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed ace Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 See your point ,well Panthers were using r/r for Perry whilst he was out injured as he was 4th in team average rules applied was 1 rider above plus 5th and 2 reserves could take his rides you can argue as much as you like whether it's right or wrong same as you could argue that he was supposed to be the protected NO7 without any protection . The problem being that the powers that be didn't have the wisdom to believe that a protected NO7 would ride well enough to get in the main body of the team . I thought regardless of what he achieved he was to be the permanent NO7 for the season as well as all the other NO7's but obviously that's not so. Please don't take my point as personal against the panthers, and I do understand how r/r works, but at that point they did not have an active nl eligible rider. I like yourself was under the impression that #7s would stay there for the entire season. Tom Perry just happens to be a good example to use to show how the system is flawed, as it can be doing his confidence (or earnings) absolutely no good going from free scoring reserve to struggling second string. Really think this #7 thing was introduced without proper provision being made for all the scenarios which have arisen this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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