False dawn Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Do you know, it's the first time I've heard anyone speak around this debate that just came over as being straightforward. Well done Rory. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonmole Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Do you know, it's the first time I've heard anyone speak around this debate that just came over as being straightforward. Well done Rory. That may be true ... but did the programme actually tell us anything worthwhile. I don't think so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 what an eye opener the radio show was. everyone knew in October this was going to happen, BSPA admit they should have pulled the plug then. documentary evidence that all parties new that if no deal signed then assets would be removed, quite clearly the presenters and those in the know clearly think this is hortons mess and were very defensive of sandhu. Also stated that the bank sold the stadium and not sandhu, quite clearly alot of people who new about what was going on were very angry how this was being handled and are relieved the plug has been pulled what an eye opener the radio show was. everyone knew in October this was going to happen, BSPA admit they should have pulled the plug then. documentary evidence that all parties new that if no deal signed then assets would be removed, quite clearly the presenters and those in the know clearly think this is hortons mess and were very defensive of sandhu. Also stated that the bank sold the stadium and not sandhu, quite clearly alot of people who new about what was going on were very angry how this was being handled and are relieved the plug has been pulled That may be true ... but did the programme actually tell us anything worthwhile. I don't think so. yes i think it did actually it was very obvious where they think the blame lies 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke Potter Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Putting your present hatred of the BSPA to one side for a moment. The BSPA is set up to run speedway, not stadia. It has never been their intention to underwrite and run a club, as, with most member clubs, the members need to be responsible for it's running and viability. If Coventry had been bought by the BSPA, and support from the team dwindled to the point of not being viable they would close it. But what then. Sell it for housing, which others were/are already unable to do so to date. It would be a millstone the other promoters, who make up the BSPA, would not want, especially as the association does not have that sort of reserves, nor would the members be prepared to put it in. YOU do not seem to 'get it' that speedway is very much a minority sport, kept afloat by mostly sincere folks who are prepared to put some money in, usually just to keep it running. In very few cases does it provide the owners with a decent wage, or even a return of their financial investment. Speedway will never get gates like other sports like Football, Rugby, etc, so there is no case for making it a 'high capital sport" as no promotion/advertising they put into it to try, will make it substantially bigger. Remember in many cases, that speedway is not the owners main business. You must be very new or naive not to know what happened to the new influx of SKY money around 2000. Their offer to televise the Sport was very generous, and it was seen by some as the saviour of the sport to keep it running. Unfortunately riders had other thoughts, and the top riders insisted and would not sign for the same money with top riders asking for say 4 times their previous contracts. Because some clubs could still afford it, they paid the demanded money to the riders, which made it once again hard to make the sport pay. The money may be shared out to each EL club, and some to the PL, but the money went to pay the riders demands, so an opportunity to make the sport a paying concern was lost. But you probably know that, but choose not to believe it. Tough. The tone of the some BSF members is very much that the sport will cease to exist in the near future. But that is only some BSF members. NO. So, your first paragraph implies the collective members of the BSPA do not even have faith in their product! "What if we bought it and crowds declined?" If you don't have faith in your own product how do you expect anyone else to have faith in it? Fans, Sponsors, TV? That's laughable. Secondly , you repeatedly state that I don't get it. It's you and your BSPA chums (with notable exceptions) that don't get it. People do not want to watch processional racing on third rate tracks in third rate stadia. It makes a world of difference if the racing is of the highest level in decent (not even plush) surroundings. If that was ever achieved then you could market the hell out of it. I am fan of over 30 years standing and am neither new or naive. You answer to the Sky money again shows the stupidity of the promoters/BSPA, effectively wasting that money and with it the opportunity to develop the sport and it's infrastructure. Your replies repeatedly suggest that the structure of the sport/BSPA is incorrect, i.e. The BSPA is not setup to run/manage/acquire stadia. Well here's the thing, it should be, as that is how the sport will survive and prosper. It seems that our opinions will never be remotely the same but I thank you for coming on here and replying to people's various posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 That may be true ... but did the programme actually tell us anything worthwhile. I don't think so.True. But then we have.... Mick Horton now hiding behind, "I'm taking legal advice" Sandhu, errr Brandon Estates, a bigger errr No one else actually knows anything worth talking about with the possible exception of Michael Stokes. It wold be nice if someone would just be honest with us. It can't get any worse than it is. It is surely no worse than has been imagined on here and elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonmole Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 documentary evidence that all parties new that if no deal signed then assets would be removed, quite clearly the presenters and those in the know clearly think this is hortons mess and were very defensive of sandhu. I've said on here more than once that Horton was (mostly) to blame .. and been castigated for doing so! Why would they pull the plug in October when there was still even a minute chance of Coventry running .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) what an eye opener the radio show was. everyone knew in October this was going to happen, BSPA admit they should have pulled the plug then. documentary evidence that all parties new that if no deal signed then assets would be removed, quite clearly the presenters and those in the know clearly think this is hortons mess and were very defensive of sandhu. Also stated that the bank sold the stadium and not sandhu, quite clearly alot of people who new about what was going on were very angry how this was being handled and are relieved the plug has been pulled what an eye opener the radio show was. everyone knew in October this was going to happen, BSPA admit they should have pulled the plug then. documentary evidence that all parties new that if no deal signed then assets would be removed, quite clearly the presenters and those in the know clearly think this is hortons mess and were very defensive of sandhu. Also stated that the bank sold the stadium and not sandhu, quite clearly alot of people who new about what was going on were very angry how this was being handled and are relieved the plug has been pulled yes i think it did actually it was very obvious where they think the blame lies Did they talk about Brandon Estates not allowing Sandhu to operate at the stadium hence Horton having to go and sort a lease? Otherwise why didn't Sandhu just get a new lease? Edited February 27, 2017 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry_Bee Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) https://twitter.com/covobservernews/status/836297689167978496 A snippet from it.... Bomber as he known by many in the speedway community voiced his full support to former Bees owner Avtar Sandhu and former promoter Colin Pratt. He said: I believe they can sort it out in the future, no matter what other people are saying. I dont blame Mr Sandhu when it comes to pointing the finger at who got the Bees in this situation. Mr Sandhu has never lied to me and when he says something he does it he and Colin Pratt both want speedway at Coventry to continue and I believe them. In my opinion Mr Sandhu needs to come back. I love the Coventry fans to bits, when I won those races and league titles it was for the fans. I remember when Colin first brought me to Coventry he stuck by me and Mr Sandhu made him believe in me, I trust them both more than anyone. Id hope we can get the old times back at Coventry, but you never know Id like to return. Edited February 27, 2017 by Coventry_Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 what an eye opener the radio show was. everyone knew in October this was going to happen, BSPA admit they should have pulled the plug then. documentary evidence that all parties new that if no deal signed then assets would be removed, quite clearly the presenters and those in the know clearly think this is hortons mess and were very defensive of sandhu. Also stated that the bank sold the stadium and not sandhu, quite clearly alot of people who new about what was going on were very angry how this was being handled and are relieved the plug has been pulled what an eye opener the radio show was. everyone knew in October this was going to happen, BSPA admit they should have pulled the plug then. documentary evidence that all parties new that if no deal signed then assets would be removed, quite clearly the presenters and those in the know clearly think this is hortons mess and were very defensive of sandhu. Also stated that the bank sold the stadium and not sandhu, quite clearly alot of people who new about what was going on were very angry how this was being handled and are relieved the plug has been pulled yes i think it did actually it was very obvious where they think the blame lies Very interesting hour of conversation. But way too much support and siding with Sandhu for my liking. If that's who you have to put your faith in then god help you. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Very interesting hour of conversation. But way too much support and siding with Sandhu for my liking. If that's who you have to put your faith in then god help you. I find it staggering that anyone can have faith in Sandhu. If people did research on Brandon Estates (used to be investin brandon) then they may change their mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I have chosen today as a very proud life-long Coventry 'BEES' Supporter of 48 years to make my very first post on this forum, having been a member for many years. My post is not to point the finger of blame at any one individual or company today, it is purely to ask all speedway fans no matter what your affiliation(s) and rivalries to step back from all the rights and wrongs of this situation and take a breath as well as a respectful period to mourn the loss of one of the finest speedway clubs this country has known. I ask for the period to mourn because truly I and many loyal BEES supporters have lost in the last 24 Hours something so precious and dear to our hearts, a team, a club, a home, a constant, a haven when things have not always been okay elsewhere in ones life, hand on heart I can say that it has been an absolute privilege to have stood on the once mighty Brandon terraces with such great people who make up our 'Speedway Family' and watch in awe and gasp at the very skills, nerves and bodies of steel that speedway riders possess. Today I and I'm sure many other speedway fans feel that they have lost a piece of themselves and are some what bewildered with the taking of 'OUR' club. I'm sure given the right circumstances some good can come from this situation however for me that is not today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I find it staggering that anyone can have faith in Sandhu. If people did research on Brandon Estates (used to be investin brandon) then they may change their mind.If you have the evidence, present it. Sandhu is really Brandon Estates is a good conspiracy theory. I might like to believe it. But the evidence that I have been able to uncover proves that both Sandhu and Brandon Estates are good at covering their tracks. The fact that they have that in common does not make them one and the same company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) I find it staggering that anyone can have faith in Sandhu. If people did research on Brandon Estates (used to be investin brandon) then they may change their mind. you have been telling us for weeks it was nothing to do with sandhu. It was all Brandon Estates doing.It's about time you came to a decision on what you believe and stick with itThis is the wrong time to throw brickbats, it requires patience to allow for things to settle down and then hopefully something positive can come from all of this Edited February 27, 2017 by Dave Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Did they talk about Brandon Estates not allowing Sandhu to operate at the stadium hence Horton having to go and sort a lease? Otherwise why didn't Sandhu just get a new lease? Absolutely - a lot of people blaming Mick but I don't see him as the guilty party here. He would have signed the revised lease by the end of December had the stadium been put right first. Why sign the lease and then have to fork out to repair/replace? I ma more inclined to believe the councillor on this than people who think it's still Peterborough or confuse Mick with Colin. Most of us fans are simply in the dark and speculating, what I do know is that Brandon Estates clearly want houses on the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 If you have the evidence, present it. Sandhu is really Brandon Estates is a good conspiracy theory. I might like to believe it. But the evidence that I have been able to uncover proves that both Sandhu and Brandon Estates are good at covering their tracks. The fact that they have that in common does not make them one and the same company. I don't believe Sandhu IS Brandon Estates but I'm now certain he is connected to them. you have been telling us for weeks it was nothing to do with sandhu. It was all Brandon Estates doing.It's about time you came to a decision on what you believe and stick with it This is the wrong time to throw brickbats, it requires patience to allow for things to settle down and then hopefully something positive can come from all of this I've never said it had nothing to do with Sandhu, it always bugged me why Horton had to get the lease instead of Sandhu just extending his. To be fair they are all at fault at some degree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbo Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 What has happened to our "Save our speedway" site. I haven't seen any input from them on this forum. No one seems to have seen or heard from them in recent weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 https://twitter.com/covobservernews/status/836297689167978496 A snippet from it.... Bomber as he known by many in the speedway community voiced his full support to former Bees owner Avtar Sandhu and former promoter Colin Pratt. He said: I believe they can sort it out in the future, no matter what other people are saying. I dont blame Mr Sandhu when it comes to pointing the finger at who got the Bees in this situation. Mr Sandhu has never lied to me and when he says something he does it he and Colin Pratt both want speedway at Coventry to continue and I believe them. In my opinion Mr Sandhu needs to come back. I love the Coventry fans to bits, when I won those races and league titles it was for the fans. I remember when Colin first brought me to Coventry he stuck by me and Mr Sandhu made him believe in me, I trust them both more than anyone. Id hope we can get the old times back at Coventry, but you never know Id like to return. Interesting that Rory said that the best owner/promoters he ever rode for were Sandhu and Frost,and that he and other riders had often been owed thousands of pounds by other promoters,that have been allowed to stay in the sport. Funny that 2 ex Bees riders were so effusive in their praise of Sandhu ,and both would clearly enjoyed riding for him Even Wayne Roberts the CWR speedway correspondent, who though perhaps not the most eloquent of speakers,seemed to intimate that the problems are more of Horton's making. Whilst a lot of this is mired in arguing of who said what when, the feeling was that all is yet not lost, but that the Horton era has run its course,and he needs to relinquish control of the Bees. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 I don't believe Sandhu IS Brandon Estates but I'm now certain he is connected to them.So share the evidence with the rest of us. I'm not having a go at you. I just want to proceed from a basis of fact. We've had hints and unsubstantiated proclamations to last a life time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Very interesting hour of conversation. But way too much support and siding with Sandhu for my liking. If that's who you have to put your faith in then god help you. I'd trust satan before I trusted Sandhu or Horton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 So share the evidence with the rest of us. I'm not having a go at you. I just want to proceed from a basis of fact. We've had hints and unsubstantiated proclamations to last a life time. I tried to PM you but wouldn't send. What has happened to our "Save our speedway" site. I haven't seen any input from them on this forum. No one seems to have seen or heard from them in recent weeks I'm admin on the fb and twitter page but I've not heard much from the people running the group in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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