SteveEvans Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 Perhaps this is just an indication of the leaue strength but this line up reminds me of Birmingham 2014 (poor and went broke) and Leicester 2016 (poor and went broke). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 You have really missed the point. The AGM set out to top slice the league to reduce the overall cost of running a team. And they have succeeded except for clubs who think it sensible to expend a quarter of their points allocation on one rider. That aside, we are looking at the likes of Danny King as true no.1s. If you want to have an unbeatable rider at your no.1 the maths will kill you. People are very critical of the likes of James Sarjeant. Under the draft system he was making steady progress at reserve. Teams were very much built on two levels and we even changed the race formula to account for this. Then we went for allowing these lads to move into the top 5. For James this did him no favours. This wasn't a natural progression, it was batism of fire. Anyway that was then, this is a new set of rules. Having two reserves on around 5 to 6 points will be a massive advantage. Not only will they make a nonsense of a team with one 2 point reserve and a second weak partner, they will compete with the lower part of any 1-5. Stop talking about our ability to win heat 15, the meeting will be over, in our favour, long before we get there. Whatever the case. I know this latest track development is worrying. But when we get to March and we're stood (no siiting) on the terraces, get behind those boys who pull on your race jackets and cheer your hearts out. Come May it won't be a False dawn. Trust me I'm a professor. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 You have really missed the point. The AGM set out to top slice the league to reduce the overall cost of running a team. And they have succeeded except for clubs who think it sensible to expend a quarter of their points allocation on one rider. That aside, we are looking at the likes of Danny King as true no.1s. If you want to have an unbeatable rider at your no.1 the maths will kill you. People are very critical of the likes of James Sarjeant. Under the draft system he was making steady progress at reserve. Teams were very much built on two levels and we even changed the race formula to account for this. Then we went for allowing these lads to move into the top 5. For James this did him no favours. This wasn't a natural progression, it was batism of fire. Anyway that was then, this is a new set of rules. Having two reserves on around 5 to 6 points will be a massive advantage. Not only will they make a nonsense of a team with one 2 point reserve and a second weak partner, they will compete with the lower part of any 1-5. Stop talking about our ability to win heat 15, the meeting will be over, in our favour, long before we get there. Whatever the case. I know this latest track development is worrying. But when we get to March and we're stood (no siiting) on the terraces, get behind those boys who pull on your race jackets and cheer your hearts out. Come May it won't be a False dawn. Trust me I'm a professor. Danny is a #1 at a lower level league team too. If its time to phase out the star names then run 19 teams at PL level. The variety would make up for the missing stars. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Danny is a #1 at a lower level league team too. If its time to phase out the star names then run 19 teams at PL level. The variety would make up for the missing stars. But thats how it is now. The EL and the PL us the same averages so the same riders will be in both. To decide you think Coventry have a poor team because you think it should be one big league is an odd way of looking at it. All teams will be the same. At least Danny stands a chance of achieving his average, Swindon are starting 1.5 points under the limit because Jason Doyle cannot possibly attain his average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 (edited) :D Well, it does seem strange. It's like me posting on a Leicester City football forum that 'I'm out' because I don't fancy the teams chances when I don't even go. ......New era Panthers............ but it will stop them sitting down..... I see what you did there. I definitely won't be doing any running but I do take my own seat so I'll be okay. Edited November 27, 2016 by Gemini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Poor looking team to be honest with Poole and Wolves looking at naming three quality heat leaders that are much stronger than Bees and Rye House naming a strong top four. Swindon still have another heat leader to unveil while we don't know which way Leicester, Kings Lynn and Belle Vue are heading but some do have strong links with riders. With the concern over work being done at Brandon and the fact Leicester have yet to be even linked to riders, could the plan be that Coventry move to Leicester for 2017 as the new owners are unlikely to invest on improvement to a stadium they have plans to demolish in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 I'm sorry Coventry Speedway fans but that team is poor. I haven't been inspired on 3-4 occasions a season for a while to endure congestion on the M6 to watch the Bee's, I used to. This team wont change that. Think you are hoping allot of the Bjerre's. King will do his job, jury out on Garrity, not sure, not being at Owlerton could help him. Bates is a sensible signing, should improve, not sure next year will be his break through year if he has one. Kerr could be OK. Sarjeant is an awful signing. He could gift less experienced talented 2-6 points because he can't keep his jittery sphincter from continually trying to jump the start. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveEvans Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 But thats how it is now. The EL and the PL us the same averages so the same riders will be in both. To decide you think Coventry have a poor team because you think it should be one big league is an odd way of looking at it. All teams will be the same. At least Danny stands a chance of achieving his average, Swindon are starting 1.5 points under the limit because Jason Doyle cannot possibly attain his average. I'm saying the team looks on paper as exciting as the 2014 Brummies or the 2016 Lions. Perhaps with the lower standard it will be okay but the selling point of the top league has been big name riders. Obviously Danny did great at the Brit Final and Cardiff last year. Kenneth is very much yesterdays man. For a team that has had many world class #1 it doesn't excite me much. A bigger name #1 and any 5 of 7 named and it would more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Well, it does seem strange. It's like me posting on a Leicester City football forum that 'I'm out' because I don't fancy the teams chances when I don't even go. i do go, and there are members on here that can confirm it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 I'm saying the team looks on paper as exciting as the 2014 Brummies or the 2016 Lions. Perhaps with the lower standard it will be okay but the selling point of the top league has been big name riders. Obviously Danny did great at the Brit Final and Cardiff last year. Kenneth is very much yesterdays man. For a team that has had many world class #1 it doesn't excite me much. A bigger name #1 and any 5 of 7 named and it would more.And yet he out averaged Janowski, Zagar, both Pawlicki's, Jonsson , Kildemand and Jepsen Jensen in Poland last year. And in the Swedish Elitserien he ranked above Nicholls and Andersen. Oh and he was just one point off being a GP rider for 2017. He may not be the most exciting rider in the world, but is a bargain on his current average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Poor looking team to be honest with Poole and Wolves looking at naming three quality heat leaders that are much stronger than Bees and Rye House naming a strong top four. Swindon still have another heat leader to unveil while we don't know which way Leicester, Kings Lynn and Belle Vue are heading but some do have strong links with riders. With the concern over work being done at Brandon and the fact Leicester have yet to be even linked to riders, could the plan be that Coventry move to Leicester for 2017 as the new owners are unlikely to invest on improvement to a stadium they have plans to demolish in the near future. Unless Swindon are going with 2 NL 2pointers at reserve, they already have their 3 heatleaders in Doyle, Morris & Ellis. Rye house look much stronger than us in the top 5 although most of the riders in their main team can be inconsistent. However they will be weak at reserve with Branford and only 3pts left for the final rider. If a rider gets injured and needs replacing during the meeting they have a weak reserve pairing. Coventry's team is very weak in comparison to Poole. However I don't think we will be the only ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Coventry, to me, look poor. Danny King at no 1? Can be very good but can also chuck a couple of lasts in for good measure. The reserves may turn out to be the best in the league but only because the top 5 is weak. How are clubs supposed to get fans in with the teams being unveiled this year? I worry for the future of this sport. Main thing with Coventry, though, is making sure the side has somewhere to race. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 I don't think that Coventry team looks too bad. What they are conceding in the middle order, they more than make up for at reserve. People are saying Rye House look strong and they do had have lots of experience, but they are likely to line up with two reserves who have no top flight experience. Bates and Sarjeant will have them on toast. Of course there are questions over Bjerre and Garrity. The later will have to ride with his head and for former will have to show a bit of heart, but in this weakened league I wouldn't say Coventry are a lost cause at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry_Bee Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 It's a team full of potential to improve. Danny King year on year gets better, Garrity couldn't ride with KK and if he stays injury free will improve, with King, bates and Garrity we have out and out racers and in bjerre a gating tart who should be on the pace with most of the top riders.The reserves look decent and the race format this year will not leave them so protected. when you see some of the names mentioned for reserves we have done ok, there will be some where they will be wobbling around at the back getting last places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 SCB, on 26 Nov 2016 - 8:04 PM, said:Which is basically what I posted yesterday. Didn't read all thread but Great minds eh ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Don't think it's as bad as people are making out. They should get plenty of heat two 5-1's and there are riders there who can and probably will increase their averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Don't think it's as bad as people are making out. They should get plenty of heat two 5-1's and there are riders there who can and probably will increase their averages.like who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 Well, it does seem strange. It's like me posting on a Leicester City football forum that 'I'm out' because I don't fancy the teams chances when I don't even go. i do go, and there are members on here that can confirm it. I can't be bothered to trawl through all your posts but I thought you'd said more than once on here that you didn't go. Apologies if I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 And they will concede plenty of 5-1s in the 1-5. I don't think they will though. If they line up as King-Kerr, Garitty-L Bjerre and K Bjerre-reserves, that doesn't look like pairings which will be on the wrong end of many 5-1s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted November 27, 2016 Report Share Posted November 27, 2016 I don't think that Coventry team looks too bad. What they are conceding in the middle order, they more than make up for at reserve. People are saying Rye House look strong and they do had have lots of experience, but they are likely to line up with two reserves who have no top flight experience. Bates and Sarjeant will have them on toast. Of course there are questions over Bjerre and Garrity. The later will have to ride with his head and for former will have to show a bit of heart, but in this weakened league I wouldn't say Coventry are a lost cause at all. This was the same argument made about Leicester last year ,good reserves etc and they finished flat last. You cant afford to have your top 5 dominated week after week and you also need away wins to get to the playoffs ,where are they going to come from with that top 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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