Good Letter In The Star...

[Trees]

Don't know why people are so easily offended these days. That language is the norm for how most young people speak.Heard worse language in a Primary school playground. Get in the real World !

Just bad habits, nobody has to say it, self control, something modern day people lack.

 

Just gonna add, including me at times .... not something I'm proud of.

Edited July 23, 2016 by Trees

[BWitcher]

Of course the old British League Division Two and later National League never resorted to using guests. If a team hit trouble they either resorted to using R/R or promoted a junior. Teams like Eastbourne had many likely lads ready to replace an injured colleague...hence why the old ideal of the second tier of racing developed many riders. Unfortunately it began to adopt the ways of the upper league and, as they say, the rest is history.

 

Yet more evidence of the fact it was quite simply a lower standard then.

So if the language Tai used at Cardiff is the "norm" these days, why was it just this week Bob Geldoff at some outdoor music festival in Basildon got booed for his continued use of the f word.

Also BT Sport showed highlights of this years GP series so far, of course they featured Cardiff and not a mention of TW and his "famous" call to the crowd.

 

He didn't get booed for continued use of the f word.

 

He got booed because he was abusing many in the audience. Had he been using the f word and telling them how brilliant they were he would have been cheered.

[OveFundinFan]

Some peoples standards must be very low if they find swearing the norm and acceptable.

 

I can go a whole week and not hear a swear word, I can go shopping, to the local market, eat in a pub, mix with friends..... but its only when I switch on the telly that the swear words come across. Good job there is a button on the remote that I can press to move onto a different channel.

[robert72]

Some peoples standards must be very low if they find swearing the norm and acceptable.

 

I can go a whole week and not hear a swear word, I can go shopping, to the local market, eat in a pub, mix with friends..... but its only when I switch on the telly that the swear words come across. Good job there is a button on the remote that I can press to move onto a different channel.

 

Some people live in the gutter I think and just lack class.

[steve roberts]

 

Yet more evidence of the fact it was quite simply a lower standard then.

 

He didn't get booed for continued use of the f word.

 

He got booed because he was abusing many in the audience. Had he been using the f word and telling them how brilliant they were he would have been cheered.

Oxford's sister teams (Eastbourne and Peterboroughs) had many riders who were able to step into the void created by missing riders due to injury and/or progression into the upper League. In fact Eastbourne had riders competing in the second halves who would have quite easily fitted into other teams due to their very successful youth policy.

 

In fact Pete Jarman stepped down during his stint with 'The Eagles' to give some of the promising juniors a chance.

 

Eric Dugard couldn't get into the team despite carrying a useful average and was loaned out to Peterborough. Peter Tarrent , Ian Gledhill and Martin Yeates were further examples who couldn't be guaranteed a team place despite holding down good averages.

 

Eastbourne, despite continually losing their star riders were able to replace them successfully season on season.

Edited July 24, 2016 by steve roberts

[Long Eye]

Oxford's sister teams (Eastbourne and Peterboroughs) had many riders who were able to step into the void created by missing riders due to injury and/or progression into the upper League. In fact Eastbourne had riders competing in the second halves who would have quite easily fitted into other teams due to their very successful youth policy.

 

In fact Pete Jarman stepped down during his stint with 'The Eagles' to give some of the promising juniors a chance.

 

Eric Dugard couldn't get into the team despite carrying a useful average and was loaned out to Peterborough. Peter Tarrent , Ian Gledhill and Martin Yeates were further examples who couldn't be guaranteed a team place despite holding down good averages.

 

Eastbourne, despite continually losing their star riders were able to replace them successfully season on season.

So they effectively used guest riders from other teams then?

[steve roberts]

So they effectively used guest riders from other teams then?

Many First Division Teams back in the seventies had promotional tie ups with Second Division Teams and it gave loanees an opportunity to double up gaining experience (often riding in second halves as was the case at Oxford)

 

Teams with 'sister' clubs back then include:

 

Oxford - Peterborough/Eastbourne

Hackney - Rayleigh/Rye House

Belle Vue - Rochdale/Belle Vue II

King's Lynn - Boston/King's Lynn II

Leicester - Teesside

 

etc etc

[Long Eye]

Many First Division Teams back in the seventies had promotional tie ups with Second Division Teams and it gave loanees an opportunity to double up gaining experience (often riding in second halves as was the case at Oxford)

 

Teams with 'sister' clubs back then include:

 

Oxford - Peterborough/Eastbourne

Hackney - Rayleigh/Rye House

Belle Vue - Rochdale/Belle Vue II

King's Lynn - Boston/King's Lynn II

Leicester - Teesside

 

etc etc

Similar to doubling up now then between PL and EL then.

[steve roberts]

Similar to doubling up now then between PL and EL then.

I'm not familiar with the modern equivalent I'm afraid...out of touch.

 

All I know is that in the 'old days' teams would loan out riders to their 'sister' club (best examples, I guess, would be Michael Lee at Boston and Peter Collins at Rochdale) to gain experience and would ride in their senior team's second half to develop and progress before moving up full time.

 

Of course now that there are no longer second halves that route is no longer available for riders.

[FAST GATER]

I'm not familiar with the modern equivalent I'm afraid...out of touch.

 

All I know is that in the 'old days' teams would loan out riders to their 'sister' club (best examples, I guess, would be Michael Lee at Boston and Peter Collins at Rochdale) to gain experience and would ride in their senior team's second half to develop and progress before moving up full time.

 

Of course now that there are no longer second halves that route is no longer available for riders.

Indeed that was so many Gulf league teams ( as it was in the 70's) put their juniors in the NL for 12mts or so we had Chris Morton at Ellesmere Port who in one season went from reserve to main team .I do think that the lack of second halves today in both PL and EL make such a difference to riders progressing to the EL rather than the ridiculous FTR we endure today .

[steve roberts]

Indeed that was so many Gulf league teams ( as it was in the 70's) put their juniors in the NL for 12mts or so we had Chris Morton at Ellesmere Port who in one season went from reserve to main team .I do think that the lack of second halves today in both PL and EL make such a difference to riders progressing to the EL rather than the ridiculous FTR we endure today .

Of course Belle Vue had a very successful development programme whereby riders progressed via 'The Aces' sister clubs and competing in the second halves. Collins, Wilkinson, Eyre, Broadbelt, Morton etc.

 

Oxford had the likes of Ballard, Kennett, Geer, Davis, Greer, Gachet and Weatherly (amongst others) make the move successfully after advancing their apprenticeships via the second halves.

[robert72]

Oxford's sister teams (Eastbourne and Peterboroughs) had many riders who were able to step into the void created by missing riders due to injury and/or progression into the upper League. In fact Eastbourne had riders competing in the second halves who would have quite easily fitted into other teams due to their very successful youth policy.

 

In fact Pete Jarman stepped down during his stint with 'The Eagles' to give some of the promising juniors a chance.

 

Eric Dugard couldn't get into the team despite carrying a useful average and was loaned out to Peterborough. Peter Tarrent , Ian Gledhill and Martin Yeates were further examples who couldn't be guaranteed a team place despite holding down good averages.

 

Eastbourne, despite continually losing their star riders were able to replace them successfully season on season.

Bwitcher is a kid who is never wrong but in the real world is clueless.

 

Eastbourne brought loads of good talent through the mini track onto riding for the eaglets and into teams. Over the years they had strong juniors teams and talented riders dugard,barker,standing,norris,richardson to name a small few in recent times and before that they had great riders that would also walk into any teams.

 

I remember Martin yeates at Poole a great rider

[steve roberts]

Bwitcher is a kid who is never wrong but in the real world is clueless.

 

Eastbourne brought loads of good talent through the mini track onto riding for the eaglets and into teams. Over the years they had strong juniors teams and talented riders dugard,barker,standing,norris,richardson to name a small few in recent times and before that they had great riders that would also walk into any teams.

 

I remember Martin yeates at Poole a great rider

Bob Dugard and the late Arthur Nutley must take much of the credit for what was achieved at Eastbourne.

 

As well as the riders you've listed how about this one...Jessup, Dave and Gordon Kennett, Johns, McNeil, Gachet, Ballard, Geer, Weatherley, Gachet, Ackroyd, Colin Richardson.

 

Martin Yeates was obviously a Poole asset but began his career at Arlington but couldn't always be guaranteed a place hence why he moved onto Weymouth where he blossomed as a rider.

 

I first saw Colin Richardson as a fifteen year old riding exhibition races against somebody called Michael Lee at Cowley!

[robert72]

Bob Dugard and the late Arthur Nutley must take much of the credit for what was achieved at Eastbourne.

 

As well as the riders you've listed how about this one...Jessup, Dave and Gordon Kennett, Johns, McNeil, Gachet, Ballard, Geer, Weatherley, Gachet, Ackroyd, Colin Richardson.

 

Martin Yeates was obviously a Poole asset but began his career at Arlington but couldn't always be guaranteed a place hence why he moved onto Weymouth where he blossomed as a rider.

 

I first saw Colin Richardson as a fifteen year old riding exhibition races against somebody called Michael Lee at Cowley!

Bob was the Alex Ferguson, I don't think he gets the credit he deserves, the young talent he brought through aswel as riders the were cast offs that came good at eastbourne.

 

Dave jessup was awesome to watch Arlington as was Gordon kennett.

[FAST GATER]

Bob Dugard and the late Arthur Nutley must take much of the credit for what was achieved at Eastbourne.

 

As well as the riders you've listed how about this one...Jessup, Dave and Gordon Kennett, Johns, McNeil, Gachet, Ballard, Geer, Weatherley, Gachet, Ackroyd, Colin Richardson.

 

Martin Yeates was obviously a Poole asset but began his career at Arlington but couldn't always be guaranteed a place hence why he moved onto Weymouth where he blossomed as a rider.

 

I first saw Colin Richardson as a fifteen year old riding exhibition races against somebody called Michael Lee at Cowley!

I saw Michael Lee doing a few laps as 15yr old at Boston you could just tell he was a star in the making ,but that can be said for most riders IMO if they have not made it within a couple of years in most cases they have reached their potential be it NL ,PL or EL .

[steve roberts]

Bob was the Alex Ferguson, I don't think he gets the credit he deserves, the young talent he brought through aswel as riders the were cast offs that came good at eastbourne.

 

Dave jessup was awesome to watch Arlington as was Gordon kennett.

Mike Sampson's an example of a rider who blossomed as an Eastbourne rider. He was no slouch prior to joining 'The Eagles' and after a couple of settling in years at Arlington found stardom and became a very dependable number one...one of my favourites!

Edited July 24, 2016 by steve roberts

[robert72]

I saw Michael Lee doing a few laps as 15yr old at Boston you could just tell he was a star in the making ,but that can be said for most riders IMO if they have not made it within a couple of years in most cases they have reached their potential be it NL ,PL or EL .

I lined up against a very young Mark loram and followed his back wheel for 4 laps he was smart and so talented at 16 you could see he would go all the way.

Mike Sampson's an example of a rider who blossomed as an Eastbourne rider. He was no slouch prior to joining 'The Eagles' and after a couple of settling in years at Arlington found stardom and became a very dependable number one...one of my favourites!

I think he went on and did well at stoke to or am I thinking of someone else ?

[Long Eye]

 

 

 

Of course now that there are no longer second halves that route is no longer available for riders.

Apart from at all the tracks that hold second halves such as the MDL.

[steve roberts]

I lined up against a very young Mark loram and followed his back wheel for 4 laps he was smart and so talented at 16 you could see he would go all the way.

 

I think he went on and did well at stoke to or am I thinking of someone else ?

Mike went to Nottingham when White City moved in at Arlington. He was asked if he wished to move up and ride in the British League but declined and was signed up by Cradley Heath and loaned out to Nottingham where he formed a formidable partnership with another "Heathen' asset Dave Perks. He finished his career at Stoke.

 

He must have been one of the longest distant travellers when early in his career he used to travel from his Exeter base to ride for Barrow!

Apart from at all the tracks that hold second halves such as the MDL.

I bow to you superior knowledge as I haven't been to a speedway since I re-located some twelve or so years ago so am unfamiliar with the present meeting structure.

Edited July 24, 2016 by steve roberts

[Triple.H.]

Apart from at all the tracks that hold second halves such as the MDL.

With all due respect the MDL offers nothing to riders like an old fashioned 2nd half did.

Believe me I'm not knocking the MDL but in a comparison to the good old days it's a no brainer why us old fuddyduddies like the old 2nd halves.