Endeavour Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 So someone with a different opinion on here is now a fool? Looks like it. Thought this forum gave people including me a chance to give an opinion. Obviously not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 So someone with a different opinion on here is now a fool? On this occasion yes, I applaud referees that take a firm decision in first bends as she did with Jepsen Jensen and Janowski in earlier heats, but she got Ht18 horribly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Come on Steve, I usually respect your knowledge but she's embarrassed herself there. I could see exactly where she was coming from. Unlike league meetings where it would have been all four back, fim referees look for a reason for the stoppage and if they decided a rider caused the stoppage he is out. Zmarzlik was not subtle. He turned right and thrust out an elbow. Even smashy and nicey on tv were wondering along those lines before the light came on. I thought the ref was brave to exclude Zmarzlik but it wasn't a wrong call or bad call. Just her interpretation of what she saw. Poland were never going to lose tonight regardless of this talking point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Iversen would of missed the corner even without the elbow , his bike was still driving forward with his wheel off the ground at the point where he should of been turning , a deliberate elbow yes but never an exclusion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 That decision will make Mrs. Hüttinger a famous name with speedway fans world wide. The Lady from Vienna was spot on right to exclude Zmarzlik as he intendedly rode into the side of Iversen and clearly caused the Dane to fall on that first corner. All for back is only right if there is no one clearly at fault for causing a crash on teh first bend after the start, but in this case it was quite clear who has caused it. Brave decision by the ref! Very good! I guess she might become the first female Speedway Grand Prix referee before too long! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) That decision will make Mrs. Hüttinger a famous name with speedway fans world wide. The Lady from Vienna was spot on right to exclude Zmarzlik as he intendedly rode into the side of Iversen and clearly caused the Dane to fall on that first corner. All for back is only right if there is no one clearly at fault for causing a crash on teh first bend after the start, but in this case it was quite clear who has caused it. Brave decision by the ref! Very good! I guess she might become the first female Speedway Grand Prix referee before too long! then when mjj was excluded the guy off one should of been excluded too as he shoved mjj going into first corner causing him to run into other rider and don't forget bjerres miss timed elbow when he was off gate one Edited July 23, 2016 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endeavour Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 That decision will make Mrs. Hüttinger a famous name with speedway fans world wide. The Lady from Vienna was spot on right to exclude Zmarzlik as he intendedly rode into the side of Iversen and clearly caused the Dane to fall on that first corner. All for back is only right if there is no one clearly at fault for causing a crash on teh first bend after the start, but in this case it was quite clear who has caused it. Brave decision by the ref! Very good! I guess she might become the first female Speedway Grand Prix referee before too long! . Shouldn't matter if referee is male or female but I do think this referee is good enough to referee a GP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I could definitely see why she excluded Zmarzlik but was very surprised it wasn't all four back. She needs to have been convinced that Zmarzlik was trying to have Iversen off as we can't have exclusions every time riders bang elbows and somebody comes off. Certainly a brave call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Disagree. Thought the ref was excellent. Zmarzlik turned right then gave Iversen and big elbow, causing Iversen to crash. Zmarzlik cause of the race stoppage. A brave call but the correct one. Certainly a talking point. I agree it was the correct decision by the ref, he clearly moved right and elbowed NKI and the exclusion was brave but correct. I thought the ref was consistent and did a good job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Re Heat 18 - I agree with the ref, but that makes me in agreement with SteveS which I never thought I wold be. When you see the start from the back its clear Zmarzlik was out of order. Fundamentally he was the reason the race was stopped. Re SteveS- apart from mentioning Emil coming last in his second ride, not a peep from him that Emil was top scorer of the night with 5 wins out of 6 races. If Emils GP WC boat has sailed he must have jumped ship and got onto a speedboat instead. Looking forward to seeing Emil on Friday at the zoo - er I mean the NSS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I could definitely see why she excluded Zmarzlik but was very surprised it wasn't all four back. She needs to have been convinced that Zmarzlik was trying to have Iversen off as we can't have exclusions every time riders bang elbows and somebody comes off. Certainly a brave call. It looked clear he moved right and off his line into NKI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Overall, a very enjoyable Event 1 of the World Cup tournament. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Re Heat 18 - I agree with the ref, but that makes me in agreement with SteveS which I never thought I wold be. When you see the start from the back its clear Zmarzlik was out of order. Fundamentally he was the reason the race was stopped. Re SteveS- apart from mentioning Emil coming last in his second ride, not a peep from him that Emil was top scorer of the night with 5 wins out of 6 races. If Emils GP WC boat has sailed he must have jumped ship and got onto a speedboat instead. Looking forward to seeing Emil on Friday at the zoo - er I mean the NSS. I said I think He will never be world champion. Of course he is a good rider and the opposition tonight was certainly not GP standard. A top 8 GP rider, but not WC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 As you said before, we will have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted July 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I said I think He will never be world champion. Of course he is a good rider and the opposition tonight was certainly not GP standard. A top 8 GP rider, but not WC.How wasn't the oposition GP standard when there was 4 GP riders in, a certain future one in Dudek, 2 ex one's in Bjerre and A Laguta and 3 stand by riders in Milik, Madsen and MJJ as well as many Wildcards.BTW I completely agree on your point with Zmazlik he was rightfully excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Now on youtube. https://youtu.be/1VnOu-Ujp1M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 What a joke of a decision to exclude Zmarlick, she should never go near another FIM meeting in her life. Held the tapes too long as well , suprised that twit Tatum thought it was the right decision, talked up what was really a very average meeting. Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Now on youtube. https://youtu.be/1VnOu-Ujp1M Come on Steve,please tell me you are joking and you are100% clear that Zmarick should be excluded? 1 At the point of collition BOTH RIDERS WERE on their back wheel so its impossible to say they were 100% in control. 2 Nki had been pushed all over the place during the evening and he wasnt going to stay on after his first ride when he clearly had a chance of bailing out before he actually did,so fair play to him for trying to stay on his bike,but where did it get him? He wasnt going to make the same mistake twice and made sure the race was going to be stopped.Im sure he thought it was going to be all 4 so it was a big bonus for him to have the pole excluded. 3 I can 100% safely say that neigher rider was in contol when the incident happened so has to be all 4.Steve please have another look again,and if you have found somthing i have missed ,ill be happy to admit i was wrong,but the key fact that both riders were on the back wheel at the point of impact means you cant call it either way. Edited July 24, 2016 by speedwaysliders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 I said I think He will never be world champion. Of course he is a good rider and the opposition tonight was certainly not GP standard. A top 8 GP rider, but not WC. Not bad tonight from the guy who wouldn't figure in the World Championship shake up in your opinion. Steve are you the only person who does not rate Emil as one of the World,s best ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 24, 2016 Report Share Posted July 24, 2016 Can anyone tell me why only a junior rider can be on reserve? Why not any rider? Is BSI too scared of the fact that we Poles have plenty of great senior riders and just wants to make it harder for us? Dont know why you grumbling, Poland had the best reserve there anyway. As the rule is that a reserve can only ride if a team member is injured or not well (as judged by an official) then there is always a good chance that the reserve may well not get a ride. Its not as if a reserve could be used as a tactical substitute. So let a youngster be at the meeting soaking up he atmosphere. On paper, Poland had the best team last night, probably the best team in the tournament, and the oldest was 24. Its not as if any of these "plenty of great senior riders" had been picked anyway. obviously Polands team manager is looking to the future, that team last night could be together for 8-10 years easily, apart from one thing - Poland has "plenty of great youngsters". Your team manager is obviously looking to the future - so should you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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