Starboy118 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Agree totally. There is NO excuse whatsoever for not keeping the paying public informed about what is happening. Its disrespectful, unprofessional and ignorant and ultimately this responsibility comes down to the promoter of the event, not the referee. Now, Chapman certainly cannot be blamed for the weather or for the meeting ultimately being cancelled BUT he can be blamed 100% for the lack of information and thats a disgrace. I always knew that switching race night from Wednesdays to Thursdays would cause problems !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 This basically confirms that all parties have to be in agreement for a postponement. It doesn't though. You left out the first sentence of the regulation which contains the crucial part; "The Meeting Referee...exercises supreme control of a Meeting..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 It doesn't though. You left out the first sentence of the regulation which contains the crucial part; "The Meeting Referee...exercises supreme control of a Meeting..." Correct and he's the only person that can call a halt to the meeting but he can only do that with the agreement of all parties as I'd stated. The referee can't simply say enough is enough if any party believes the meeting can continue. Last night that came down to just the King's Lynn management, everybody else wanted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinht Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I nearly didn't go in last night as I drove through a massive downpour just before reaching Kings Lynn, but it stopped raining and thought meeting would go ahead. Hadn't realised how wet the track was. Even so, once in, we were treated like lemons with virtually no information. The man on the mike should be in the pits and should be there to find out whats is going on, tell us fans, even interview riders to get their views on the track. We even knew it was off after the paramedic & co were called off the track, before it was announced officially. I understand trying a couple of races to see how the track would ride, in the past, after a few races the track can improve. Third bend was obviously an issue, after attempting that and still no good, the meeting should have been called off at that point after a reasonable amount of effort had been put in to save the meeting (ref. should have called it imo). As Buster was blading the top surface off it was easy to see how slippery the base was and it was clearly not gonna be fit to carry on. The bikes are obviously too powerful these days to cope with wet tracks (and dry ones sometimes) and something really does need doing with the rules around the engines to improve this. Even the shale needs looking at. You don't see sawdust tried these days, dunno if that would still help? Finally, who the f**k came up with the stupid rule about the using the centre green/grey to get to the tapes. What a waste of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) Correct and he's the only person that can call a halt to the meeting but he can only do that with the agreement of all parties as I'd stated. The referee can't simply say enough is enough if any party believes the meeting can continue. Last night that came down to just the King's Lynn management, everybody else wanted out. You know that do you Danny? Or was he just acting on instructions? Edited July 21, 2016 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) The only one who seemed to know what was going was driving Tractor and other bits machinery round and round the track. Where were Rob and Dale the other so called Promoters ? Why weren't they attempting to give the fans some idea on what the hell was going on. Amateur sport at Professional prices Edited July 21, 2016 by semion 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 There was plenty of discussion going on in the pits ..... It was pretty obvious what was going on when Buster was blading the track, they had another couple of rides and then more duscussions, Can't remember how long it was then before they announced the call off and Buster went on the mike ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 There was plenty of discussion going on in the pits ..... It was pretty obvious what was going on when Buster was blading the track, they had another couple of rides and then more duscussions, Can't remember how long it was then before they announced the call off and Buster went on the mike ..... I think you have far too much tint on those rose coloured glasses Trees. The least they could have done was keep the PAYING public informed. It's not rocket science, it's common courtesy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byker Biker Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 We're there no announcements at all or did you just not hear what you wanted to hear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Fever Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 announcements??? it was pretty damn clear what was going on surely??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 (edited) I think you have far too much tint on those rose coloured glasses Trees. The least they could have done was keep the PAYING public informed. It's not rocket science, it's common courtesy. Unfortunately in speedway, communicating the relevant does appear to be rocket science on the majority of occasions. Edited July 22, 2016 by Crump99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I think you have far too much tint on those rose coloured glasses Trees. The least they could have done was keep the PAYING public informed. It's not rocket science, it's common courtesy. I guess I could see what was going on "ish" so the time factor didn't concern me, but yeah of course fans need to know what is going on if possible, if only to say discussions are taking place. Also saying that for some of the time we could all see what was going on as things were happening on track. I've done my fair share of constructive criticism over the years SL and you know it, I'll always love speedway racing at Lynn, as long as there is racing there I will attend. I want to see the riders being able to give 100% on our track and so should everyone involved in speedway. I am concerned about the bikes\engines not being controllable in non-perfect track conditions but it's only the FIM who can ultimately do anything about that ..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) I think all parties had good intentions; the riders all gave it a go and Buster tried to get the track raceable. The problem is that it all took far too long, there needs to be some kind of procedure/protocol for a rain affected track instead of people standing around arse scratching. There was the best part of an hour from the rain stopping and heat one starting in which time a couple of riders from each team could have tested conditions and track work been done. We could all have been home before 9pm. Edited July 22, 2016 by Gordon Bennett 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Dont blame Chapman for one minute. Scheiln and Batchelor are two notorious whinging old women, imagine having them both in the same team!! Scheiln always has been a moaner ever since he first started in uk speedway. If hes worried about his injury he should of taken more time out to get fully fit. Clear by his scores to see hes way off being anywhere near fit, no good coming back and whining when the tracks a bit wet. Good on chapman, its time someone told these medicore primadonnas how it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Dont blame Chapman for one minute. Scheiln and Batchelor are two notorious whinging old women, imagine having them both in the same team!! Scheiln always has been a moaner ever since he first started in uk speedway. If hes worried about his injury he should of taken more time out to get fully fit. Clear by his scores to see hes way off being anywhere near fit, no good coming back and whining when the tracks a bit wet. Good on chapman, its time someone told these medicore primadonnas how it is. wonder if you'd feel the same if you had almost ended up in a wheel chair and was told to race on a clearly unfit track ? There is too many get injured on dry tracks so you want to add to that list I guess . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 wonder if you'd feel the same if you had almost ended up in a wheel chair and was told to race on a clearly unfit track ? There is too many get injured on dry tracks so you want to add to that list I guess . Well said Haza, don't even go there Pinny!! Rory is 100% entitled to be concerned about his health and that of our team, Kai got hurt as it was!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Just for a minute, like to go back to a special day, Good Friday morning 1975, against Leicester . We had a tremendous SNOW storm so much so some of the roads were blocked , stopping some of the riders from getting there. The teams were made up with junior riders, this being Michael Lees debut meeting. The track was extremely wet with lots of shale. Not only was there 13 heats of the main match but also a starlet meeting that followed. Racing was in an abundance, Michael Lee passing Ray Wilson 3 times during the match. The point I'm trying to make is; the wet conditions didn't automatically deem the track unraceable. The riders wanted to race it was their bread and butter and probably there only way of earning a crust, and the bikes were less powerful but,more controllable in adverse conditions. What happen at Lynn the other night was an accumulation of circumstances of how our sport has become.. The tracks now are useless in the wet and offer no grip, The riders don't give a damn about riding in adverse conditions, and the bike are far more powerful and are hard to control in these conditions.. Buster, like me is old school. He can remember these days when the riders rode these track and feels if he can trouble to get the track ready they should race it, regardless of the danger. But these bikes are hard to control slowly, its not just a issue of controlling the speed, these bike are all or nothing... Sad how our sport has become. But unless we have major reinvention it will not change. To me.... Give me the old days everytime....... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenbears Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Dont blame Chapman for one minute. Scheiln and Batchelor are two notorious whinging old women, imagine having them both in the same team!! Scheiln always has been a moaner ever since he first started in uk speedway. If hes worried about his injury he should of taken more time out to get fully fit. Clear by his scores to see hes way off being anywhere near fit, no good coming back and whining when the tracks a bit wet. Good on chapman, its time someone told these medicore primadonnas how it is. Your comment is a disgrace and has total disregard for track and rider safety. I see you love see see blood and guts rather than good racing. Rory was fit and is fit and who are you to judge. Rory represented 13 riders on Wednesday night and was supported by them all. Seems representation and being a spokesperson you cope the flack! What you need is to have respect for someone with more guts and determination to have been what's he's been through and come out the other side still with passion for his sport. I beg the differ in your opinion. Ask anyone that Rory is more than capable of being a competent wet track rider having ridden the first four years on the wettest tracks in the UK and scored highly on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Dont blame Chapman for one minute. Scheiln and Batchelor are two notorious whinging old women, imagine having them both in the same team!! Scheiln always has been a moaner ever since he first started in uk speedway. If hes worried about his injury he should of taken more time out to get fully fit. Clear by his scores to see hes way off being anywhere near fit, no good coming back and whining when the tracks a bit wet. Good on chapman, its time someone told these medicore primadonnas how it is. Clearly wasn't there on Wednesday then? I think you'll find all 14 riders didn't want to know it was just that Schlein took the abuse from Buster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 What happened to the new tyres designed to be used in the wet? Didn't Danny King try them out at Lynn at beginning of this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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