stevebrum Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) Always felt Monmore gives a massive home advantage and where gating is doubly important.Not really. Most riders relish coming to Monmore as the track is usually always well prepared and riders feel safe a track in it.The track offers several passing lines so gating isn't always essential. Edited July 19, 2016 by stevebrum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) No doubt about it whoever finishes top to will want to avoid going to Wolves. With their team dialled in it would be a difficult job to keep it close enough to have a chance in the other leg. Â Thats why it is importang to finish top and have the pick. If Poole get their act together and finish top they would send Belle Vue to Wolves and go to Swindon or Lakeside. Edited July 19, 2016 by Steve Shovlar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Not really. Most riders relish coming to Monmore as the track is usually always well prepared and riders feel safe a track in it. The track offers several passing lines so gating isn't always essential. Â The long straights and sharp corners make the track unique. Seasoned riders have the experience needed to be competitive, whereas new younger riders can find the fast straights and slow corners more of a problem. I have heard many riders say ' If you make the gate and ride the right line, they're not many people who will come by.... Â Not being rider I wouldn't know. But having watched many a meeting at Wolves, I've watch many races when the rider in front has had followers all over him but still hasn't been able to pass. .... ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveZodiac Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Vintage PK last night - does his Paid Maximum make him the oldest rider to score a maximum in the EL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Vintage PK last night - does his Paid Maximum make him the oldest rider to score a maximum in the EL? I for one am so glad that he is here this season ,really thought we had seen the last of him in the EL but if this is his swansong then we could not ask for more !!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Not really. Most riders relish coming to Monmore as the track is usually always well prepared and riders feel safe a track in it. The track offers several passing lines so gating isn't always essential. The track is well prepared but away sides chase the dirt wide early on and don't realise that 90 % of the passes at Monmore these days are up the inside.. 100 % last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Vintage PK last night - does his Paid Maximum make him the oldest rider to score a maximum in the EL? Â A wonderful acquisition, tailor made replacement for Wolves who has ridden many years on the Monmore track and has loads of experience he can share with others... Â An Adam's master-stroke that virtually guarantees Wolves a place in the Play-Offs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Don't know why PK would consider packing in when he's riding in the weakest league he's ever riode in over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 The long straights and sharp corners make the track unique. Seasoned riders have the experience needed to be competitive, whereas new younger riders can find the fast straights and slow corners more of a problem. I have heard many riders say ' If you make the gate and ride the right line, they're not many people who will come by.... Â Not being rider I wouldn't know. But having watched many a meeting at Wolves, I've watch many races when the rider in front has had followers all over him but still hasn't been able to pass. .... ... Â Â you haven't watched enough racing or matches at Monmore if you think riders can't pass! Â For such a good track that riders enjoy there does seem to be a lot of falls or near falls with riders wobbling or getting out of shape. According to the updates there were seven falls or big wobbles, that's more than the whole season at Belle Vue including both Aces and Colts meetings. Why do riders keep messing up on a track they like so much? It's status as a good and well prepared race track isn't in question, as it's voted best prepared race track most seasons recently. No one was present to do the texting Monday so it's not a true reflection. ALL tracks have matches when accidents and getting out of shape happens, if would be crazy to suggest otherwise. I wasn't there so I can't comment on the racing but I see no more or less falls at Monmore than at any other track I have visited in the past few years and that includes all leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 For such a good track that riders enjoy there does seem to be a lot of falls or near falls with riders wobbling or getting out of shape. Â According to the updates there were seven falls or big wobbles, that's more than the whole season at Belle Vue including both Aces and Colts meetings. Â Why do riders keep messing up on a track they like so much? I know everything is honkey dorey at Belle Vue but after the National Speedway Stadium's start to the season its a bit rich criticising a track which for the last 9 years has either won or been nominated for the track of the year.. 3 of the falls were genuine racing incidents (which the ref got 2 exclusions wrong). The wobbling was from riders who shouldn't be in the Elite League. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) Â Â you haven't watched enough racing or matches at Monmore if you think riders can't pass! Â Â Â Never have I said there is no passing at Monmore, The track is notorious for riders getting the corners wrong and many passes are created by errors. Â Some riders have the wrong idea of the fastest line, some go chasing the dirt when the inside line could be quicker. No there are many passes, but what I pointed out that when a home rider hits the front he usually knows the quickest route and therefore how to keep the opposition behind him.... Edited July 19, 2016 by GRW123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I know everything is honkey dorey at Belle Vue but after the National Speedway Stadium's start to the season its a bit rich criticising a track which for the last 9 years has either won or been nominated for the track of the year.. 3 of the falls were genuine racing incidents (which the ref got 2 exclusions wrong). The wobbling was from riders who shouldn't be in the Elite League. Â You do know that 'Track of the Year' has nothing to do with track preparation dont you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Having calmed down after last night's meet I've been having a look at league table & remaining fixtures. Now I might be a tad slow these days but didn't realise we've already done 12/14 away fixtures with just KL & Dorsetshire left. It's looking reasonably handy with BV having 5 away left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Â A wonderful acquisition, tailor made replacement for Wolves who has ridden many years on the Monmore track and has loads of experience he can share with others... Â An Adam's master-stroke that virtually guarantees Wolves a place in the Play-Offs.... Â Adam's "masterstroke" was Bech's personal problems, without which I think he would still have been here. Â Â Â Never have I said there is no passing at Monmore, The track is notorious for riders getting the corners wrong and many passes are created by errors. Â Some riders have the wrong idea of the fastest line, some go chasing the dirt when the inside line could be quicker. No there are many passes, but what I pointed out that when a home rider hits the front he usually knows the quickest route and therefore how to keep the opposition behind him.... Â But isn't that the case at all/most tracks ? Â Â Â You do know that 'Track of the Year' has nothing to do with track preparation dont you? Â That is what I thought it was, and am sure this is what the Speedway Star refer to. If not related to track preparation, what is the accolade for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Never have I said there is no passing at Monmore, The track is notorious for riders getting the corners wrong and many passes are created by errors. Â Some riders have the wrong idea of the fastest line, some go chasing the dirt when the inside line could be quicker. No there are many passes, but what I pointed out that when a home rider hits the front he usually knows the quickest route and therefore how to keep the opposition behind him.... Depends on the opposition as I've watched the likes of Harris chase and pass Wolves riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 That is what I thought it was, and am sure this is what the Speedway Star refer to. If not related to track preparation, what is the accolade for ? Â It's the referee's meeting scores which cover compliance with the regs regarding track safety & facilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Somebody better tell CVS: Â http://www.wolverhamptonwolves.co/news.php?extend.2416 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Why would anyone misrepresent the number of falls and big wobbles? I know the referees like it but it seems a bit odd that you say the riders relish monmore when also according to you there are no less falls than anywhere else? I know you think this is crazy to suggest, but I can't bring to mind one fall in an el meeting at Belle Vue this season, not just one meeting, the whole el season so far!! Â Pointing out that it seems odd that riders relish riding at a track where so many wobble or fall off isn't a criticism of the track? Its a bit like picking a restaurant because it has the tastiest food but you get anal leakage every time you eat there. The referee was also happy with Belle Vue on opening night, the riders would not have been allowed on track otherwise. Sort sums up the value of the so called track of the year award lol! Still as you've brought it up (again, you do keep having epic fail pops at the NSS don't you?) the track on opening night wasn't as bad as Coventry's first sky meeting this season. It probably wasn't as bad as Poole but we didn't see Louis showing huge lumps breaking out of the track. Based on that I've no doubt the opening meeting would have been much safer for the riders than Coventry was that night, there would have been less falls and wobbles than were reported last night. And the outcome? The contractors were forced to fix their cock up, woofinden refusing to ride was the best for all concerned, apart for the fans, whoops! As for your crass comment about the wobbling, when the National League lads ride at Belle Cue they don't fall off or even wobble much as was reported last night either. And there we have it. Everything is perfect at belle Vue including the Colts where no one falls off and the juniors are virtually world beaters. Blinkers are clearly firmly on. Riders do relish the Monmore track, that's not my words. Many are on record saying how much they enjoy the circuit because it's so well prepared they feel safe on it. Â The updates were taken from the live radio broadcast, it's no different to reporting on a SKY meeting, other than that you can't see the racing only hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Â Â Why would anyone misrepresent the number of falls and big wobbles? Â I know the referees like it but it seems a bit odd that you say the riders relish monmore when also according to you there are no less falls than anywhere else? I know you think this is crazy to suggest, but I can't bring to mind one fall in an el meeting at Belle Vue this season, not just one meeting, the whole el season so far!! Â Pointing out that it seems odd that riders relish riding at a track where so many wobble or fall off isn't a criticism of the track? Its a bit like picking a restaurant because it has the tastiest food but you get anal leakage every time you eat there. Â The referee was also happy with Belle Vue on opening night, the riders would not have been allowed on track otherwise. Sort sums up the value of the so called track of the year award lol! Â Still as you've brought it up (again, you do keep having epic fail pops at the NSS don't you?) the track on opening night wasn't as bad as Coventry's first sky meeting this season. It probably wasn't as bad as Poole but we didn't see Louis showing huge lumps breaking out of the track. Based on that I've no doubt the opening meeting would have been much safer for the riders than Coventry was that night, there would have been less falls and wobbles than were reported last night. And the outcome? The contractors were forced to fix their cock up, woofinden refusing to ride was the best for all concerned, apart for the fans, whoops! Â As for your crass comment about the wobbling, when the National League lads ride at Belle Vue they don't fall off or even wobble much as was reported last night either. That old chestnut again. Your promoter David Gordon said the track was unfit on opening night., Is that not good enough for you ? If it helps being in denial then carry on. Sure your track in Manchester is very good but don't forget the past when you aim criticism at others. .From what I remember you were very sensitive to any criticism only a few months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) If you can twist my post to mean the Colts are virtually world beaters (Dan Bewley, remember the name) I've no doubt you've also twisted a riders comment in a similar wacky way and came up with your 'relish', lol!Of course, I've made up every comment that riders have made about how they love riding at Monmore but every rider on the planet loves the fantastic national stadium track.Even Gollob was heard saying it's the best track he has ever raced on - every rider at the opener was of course rating how good ...... okay scratch that. Â Back in the real world the national league is full of falls and wobblers (your words) no one track will prevent that. However according to you it never happens at colts meetings. Edited July 19, 2016 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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