scotchopper Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Something wrong with Masters bike in heat 11, that's a good one, and Fisher looked underpowered lol So Lunna going round the fence on bend two and passing Fisher is not a genuine pass in your book as it wasn't on bend three or four of the first lap? I think what you got from Wolbert yesterday is what he does round Ashfield, 6 in the sky match and 6 yesterday , ohh and that's what he averaged racing for us in 2014, and that's not exaggerating lol. Bewley is a talent no doubt but Clegg just doesn't to be kicking on after last season. Pretty sure Edinburgh will make top 6 and will fancy there chances against most over two legs, as there tough to beat at home with there 7 track experts that race for them according to J Campbell I take it you didn't see Sam actually change bikes twice before the race then, its very rare you see Sam do that and he obviously wasn't happy. Then after making a decent gate he just stopped on the first corner, baulking Mark who had also made a good gate and allowing both tigers through. He probably wouldn't have caught and passed Lunna yesterday but he struggled just to finish 4 laps without getting lapped and probably would have stopped if Mark was still going. Whilst I get that Sam isn't flavour of the month with those from the west today I am sure you have seen enough of Sam winning races at Ashfield to know that he is better than that, that to me says he had bike problems. If I was a tigers fan I couldn't care less why it happened. I don't consider a pass until at least the 3rd bend of lap 1, ashfield is the perfect example where making a good gate doesn't guarantee you anything, off gate 1 unless you make it to the fence first fully expect to see at least one rider going around you, if the rider on 2 makes a better start you are goosed and if you do make it the better riders will cut back and get you down the back straight. Fisher flew round the outside in heat 3 and a couple of Glasgow riders did it as well, it is impressive but for me is all part of the start and the 1st corner and for that reason I don't consider it a genuine pass. For the same reason that is what I would make the gate stats, not the person who won the race (as he may have been last out of the gate) but whoever make it to the 3rd bend first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 EDI dont have the luxury of Sedgmen to step up to the plate like they did last year when that happens. Im sure they would have thought Eric Riss would have grown more into that role this year but like Clegg he really hasnt pushed on from 2015. Mark Riss looks much of a muchness of his brother, be interesting to see his final average in October.I agree regarding Eric thought he would be a lot better this season very inconsistent from race to race.He has a touch of class though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 I take it you didn't see Sam actually change bikes twice before the race then, its very rare you see Sam do that and he obviously wasn't happy. Then after making a decent gate he just stopped on the first corner, baulking Mark who had also made a good gate and allowing both tigers through. He probably wouldn't have caught and passed Lunna yesterday but he struggled just to finish 4 laps without getting lapped and probably would have stopped if Mark was still going. Whilst I get that Sam isn't flavour of the month with those from the west today I am sure you have seen enough of Sam winning races at Ashfield to know that he is better than that, that to me says he had bike problems. If I was a tigers fan I couldn't care less why it happened. I don't consider a pass until at least the 3rd bend of lap 1, ashfield is the perfect example where making a good gate doesn't guarantee you anything, off gate 1 unless you make it to the fence first fully expect to see at least one rider going around you, if the rider on 2 makes a better start you are goosed and if you do make it the better riders will cut back and get you down the back straight. Fisher flew round the outside in heat 3 and a couple of Glasgow riders did it as well, it is impressive but for me is all part of the start and the 1st corner and for that reason I don't consider it a genuine pass. For the same reason that is what I would make the gate stats, not the person who won the race (as he may have been last out of the gate) but whoever make it to the 3rd bend first. So from what i gather from this is if someone makes a pass on bend 1 or 2 then it is not a pass but if they make a pass on bends 3 or 4 it is a pass so from that assumption if someone makes a pass on bend 2 and finishes the race 2nd then they won't get 2 points because they passed on bend 2 makes perfect sense now glad we cleared that up. A pass is a pass regardless of where,when, or on whom you make it Ffs that has to go down as one off the stupidest posts ever. Good post. Do i sense a slight tone off sarcasm there . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Naw thought it was fair enough! Naw thought it was fair enough! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyLeith Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 So from what i gather from this is if someone makes a pass on bend 1 or 2 then it is not a pass but if they make a pass on bends 3 or 4 it is a pass so from that assumption if someone makes a pass on bend 2 and finishes the race 2nd then they won't get 2 points because they passed on bend 2 makes perfect sense now glad we cleared that up. A pass is a pass regardless of where,when, or on whom you make it Ffs that has to go down as one off the stupidest posts ever. Do i sense a slight tone off sarcasm there . In an earlier post you described your sensitivity and subsequent action in relation to an alleged gesture made by Sam Masters. On that basis I assume you've also had to explain to your seven year old the meaning of "FFS" in your latest rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) In an earlier post you described your sensitivity and subsequent action in relation to an alleged gesture made by Sam Masters. On that basis I assume you've also had to explain to your seven year old the meaning of "FFS" in your latest rant. Rant you for real difference here is my 7 year old witnessed and questioned yesterday but he can't see my FFs as he has no access to any computer clear enough for you so no explanation required but thanks for your concern. Edited August 1, 2016 by Gazc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) Oh dear, poor old Cyclone still hasn't got it. Dear chap, there is no such thing as doubling up between National League and the higher leagues. The clue is in the name, really. When a rider competes in both the EL & PL, the EL club has the opportunity to name a second rider to cover the slot e.g. Ben Barker at Coventry. Hence "Doubling Up". 16.1.2 makes clear that, in the case of a rider doubling up between EL/PL and the rider being owned by a NL club, then the EL/PL clubs can agree to who has priority. I can see where you've got confused here, but it doesn't refer to a rider who is riding in both the PL and NL. In fact, Edinburgh actually even clarified the case with Dan Bewley, after which Belle Vue were informed that Edinburgh took precedence in fixture clashes. There is only one rule in the rulebook that covers a EL/PL rider also riding in the NL: 19.9.3 Where a rider is additionally declared in a PL and/or EL Team, the EL and/or PL Team shall have priority, except that a rider nominated for the NLRC must appear in the NLRC. Note there is NO reference in the above to "Doubling Up", because it's not that. There is no second rider available to the EL/PL team in such cases. It's simply a rider competing in an additional team. It's allowed (as long as the rider is eligible, of course), but 19.9.3 (which is unusually succinct for the rulebook) makes clear that the EL/PL has priority, except when it comes to the NLRC. Got it now?????? All the best Rob What I've got, is you ignore what is actually stated in the Full Regulations and make it up as you go along, Furthermore, as you are still avoiding admitting you made a false accusation in post #69 on the Scunny vs Edinburgh thread, asserting Edinburgh only informed Scunny of the change, late Sunday morning, I would not trust anything you state on here. You're certainly living up to the "Lucifer" part of your Forum name and are your asbestos pants still saving from you from any burns? Edited August 2, 2016 by cyclone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyLeith Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Rant you for real difference here is my 7 year old witnessed and questioned yesterday but he can't see my FFs as he has no access to any computer clear enough for you so no explanation required but thanks for your concern. Ah, so double standards then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 FFS: Fast & Furious Speedway, surely, or am I wrong?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spt82 Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 Rant you for real difference here is my 7 year old witnessed and questioned yesterday but he can't see my FFs as he has no access to any computer clear enough for you so no explanation required but thanks for your concern.Was your 7 year old questioning what he saw Sam doing, or the fans around you doing the same back and no doubt shouting things also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragdoll64 Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 I don't consider a pass until at least the 3rd bend of lap 1, ashfield is the perfect example where making a good gate doesn't guarantee you anything, off gate 1 unless you make it to the fence first fully expect to see at least one rider going around you, if the rider on 2 makes a better start you are goosed and if you do make it the better riders will cut back and get you down the back straight. Fisher flew round the outside in heat 3 and a couple of Glasgow riders did it as well, it is impressive but for me is all part of the start and the 1st corner and for that reason I don't consider it a genuine pass. For the same reason that is what I would make the gate stats, not the person who won the race (as he may have been last out of the gate) but whoever make it to the 3rd bend first. You're clearly in your own little bubble regarding this passing thing..........lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highroad119 Posted August 1, 2016 Report Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) If people cant see a marked improvement in the quality of racing this year at ashfield I give up. No longer the ftg of previous years. Not perfect by any means but lets be positive about something for once. Good entertainment in difficult conditions. Just wish we could push on through a wee bit quicker, riders are taking an age at the starts. Edited August 1, 2016 by highroad119 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Most races I've seen home & away this Season are usually decided by the moves made on the first two bends. It was not a case of whoever was first away from the tapes, won. If it had been, the Monarchs would have scored a few more points. Tigers adapted better to the track & the prevailing weather conditions. Away Supporters of all Clubs whose team has taken a gubbing, tend to criticize the quality of the racing/track, rather than admit the visitors were poor, and/or the home side rode well. I'll say it again, we were crap on Sunday, Tigers looked good. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 So from what i gather from this is if someone makes a pass on bend 1 or 2 then it is not a pass but if they make a pass on bends 3 or 4 it is a pass so from that assumption if someone makes a pass on bend 2 and finishes the race 2nd then they won't get 2 points because they passed on bend 2 makes perfect sense now glad we cleared that up. A pass is a pass regardless of where,when, or on whom you make it Ffs that has to go down as one off the stupidest posts ever. Do i sense a slight tone off sarcasm there . I was talking about good racing and number of lines on a track I guess it's not something you recognise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Interesting photo of Glasgow fans giving masters several hand gestures at the 1st bend on Facebook. Surely not thought they done no wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 (edited) Was your 7 year old questioning what he saw Sam doing, or the fans around you doing the same back and no doubt shouting things also? Seem awfully concerned about my 7 year old but lets cut to the chase are you condoning what Masters did me personally i couldn't care less could be put down to several things heat off the moment etc and in answer to your question Mr Philadelphia Lawyer no the fans were not gesturing. I was talking about good racing and number of lines on a track I guess it's not something you recognise Off course i regonise good racing i don't attend Armadale. Ah, so double standards then. Obviously you didn't read my post but you decide as you felt the need to question it me I've got more important things to do. In an earlier post you described your sensitivity and subsequent action in relation to an alleged gesture made by Sam Masters. On that basis I assume you've also had to explain to your seven year old the meaning of "FFS" in your latest rant. I will refer back to this as i had to check twice. 5 posts in and he has appointed himself as the Content Police these Monarchs steal all the good jobs. Need to check through my post's to see if i have upset anyone else couldn't sleep last night with the worry . Edited August 2, 2016 by Gazc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Just like your picture Mr Blobby waving their hands 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 What Facebook is it on and I will do a bit of csi on the evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 What Facebook is it on and I will do a bit of csi on the evidence. Edinburgh and Glasgow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted August 2, 2016 Report Share Posted August 2, 2016 Cheers b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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