Alan_Jones Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Storm in a teacup. The SCB did the only thing they could and confirmed that the right guest was used as clearly stated in the regs. All the ferretting around in old green sheets was a total waste of time as there was never any hint of a 'no facility' situation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 If we're working to that rule, you don't get as far as 16.1.3 because 16.1.1 says that Belle Vue should always have priority over Bewley as he is their asset. Can you clarify if Bewley is registered as an asset of Elite League Belle Vue or National League Belle Vue Colts as that would relevant re 16.1.1? Even if he is owned by BV Colts, 16.1.2 allows Edinburgh & BV Colts to make their own arrangement re priority when fixtures clash, viz.: 16.1.2 If neither Club has “ownership”, then it is determined by the League status of the Club that does “own” the rider. If that Club is a NL Club then agreement can be made otherwise Art. 16.1 applies. I assume that when Monarchs considered offering Bewley the no. 7 berth, that both Promotions had agreed that where there was a clash of fixtures, PL fixtures would take priority, unless the PL fixture was a Re- Arranged match (as per Scunthorpe vs Edinburgh). IMO if Rob Godfrey or whoever was advising him, had read the SCB Regulations in the sequence they are written, it would have been obvious that a Guest Facility for an absent #7 was legitimate. To summarise when there is a fixture clash : 16.1.- PL take priority over NL for Doubling Up riders unless:- The NL fixture is the Original Fixture and PL is a Re-Arranged Fixture (16.1.3) OR The NLRC takes priority over any PL fixture on same date (19.9.3) In the the SCB announcement, it states:- "Furthermore, Edinburgh advised Scunthorpe by SMS at 15:14 on Friday 15th July (72 hours prior to the Meeting Start time) of the fact that Mitchell Davey would be the G rider replacing Dan Bewley." Looks Like Lucifer Sam was either misled, or telling Porkies in Post #69 on Monday morning when he stated :- "Al, if one were cynical, one might suggest that Edinburgh were well aware of the obvious error in the NL Green Sheets regarding Davey, and announced his presence as late as possible (late yesterday morning), to try to stop anybody spotting it in time. Unfortunately for them, Scunny did, and placed a protest in time." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Can you clarify if Bewley is registered as an asset of Elite League Belle Vue or National League Belle Vue Colts as that would relevant re 16.1.1? Bewley's registration is owned by Belle Vue Speedway. They are the "owning" club. A club's assets aren't sub-divided into teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Maybe they should of all had a wee sit down on the track again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Maybe they should of all had a wee sit down on the track again. No-one would do such a thing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8scot Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) Now hopefully the rule books will be graciously put aside and we can talk about what was really important...... The racing last Sunday!!! IMO both teams deserved so much plaudits for the entertainment served up and win or lose, speedway was the winner. The video is excellent but no substitute for actually watching the race unfold in real time with the outcome in doubt for 4 full laps and it was only one of many brilliant races Edited July 22, 2016 by Gr8scot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Cheats (again) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Cheats (again) I'm not sure Scunny cheat THAT often. No average fixing or sun-offs that I can remember. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 So to confirm, the BSPA declared a few weeks back that Bewdley had to give Edinburgh (PL) priority over BV (NL) but have now decided that rules doesn't matter, it's now the rule about owning clubs/re-arranged meetings that matter? There statement falls at the first hurdle because they made that called a couple of weeks/months back about Edinburgh having priority! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparks123 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 So to confirm, the BSPA declared a few weeks back that Bewdley had to give Edinburgh (PL) priority over BV (NL) but have now decided that rules doesn't matter, it's now the rule about owning clubs/re-arranged meetings that matter? There statement falls at the first hurdle because they made that called a couple of weeks/months back about Edinburgh having priority! I thought that the guest had to be below 6.00 also (5.99 or lower). The rules also appear to be different from league to league (Thought Seb couldn't guest because his average was from a few years back and riders with an assessed average (5 or 7 points) couldn't guest until they gained an average). Probably wrong after a few pints. Might have changed but is Davey's average not a converted PL average (he therefore doesn't have a conference league average). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Which contradicts this:- 16. FIXTURES, MATCH AVERAGES and GENERAL RULES The authority of the SCB and BSPA extends over all Meetings listed on the Official BSPA produced and maintained Fixture List. Changes, including Fixture re-stagings must be approved by the BSPA and no Meeting may be staged unless on the Fixture List. 16.1 Fixtures shall take priority as follows: FIM SGP, SWC, SGP Qualifying Meetings, FIM Junior Speedway Championship Meetings British Championships (Senior, Junior), BSPA Shared and Fee Events Official Competitions: 1. Elite League; 2. Premier League; 3.National League. NB. Non-Official Competitions have no priority over any of the above. A Rider must be released to take part in a higher priority Meeting, unless he is “Doubling Up” or is an “EDR, in which case the priority for a clash of Official Meetings is as follows: 16.1.1 The “owning” Club (ie. on Club’s Retained List) or before the start of the Season was transferred with the full Transfer Fee being paid. 16.1.2 If neither Club has “ownership”, then it is determined by the League status of the Club that does “own” the rider. If that Club is a NL Club then agreement can be made otherwise Art.16.1 applies. 16.1.3 The Original Fixture if there is a clash with a re-Arranged Fixture 16.1.4 A Transfer during the Season does not change this priority. 18. PREMIER LEAGUE MEETING REGULATIONS 18.10 FACILITIES a1) Absent #1: G or RR a2) Absent D-U or EDR (if riding for the “other” team) G or RR b ) 1 Absent rider (2 – 5): RR c) More than 1 Absent rider (1 - 5) 1 x RR facility and G for all others d) Absent #6 or #7: G e) “No Facility”: NL G* NL G*: a rider eligible for a NL Team who has never achieved an actual PL MA of 4.00 or above 18.11.3 The Guest must be in a current Team Declaration and have an MA that is the same or lower than that of the absent rider. If a replacement EL rider also has a current PL MA then the higher of the MA’s will dictate the eligibility. 18.11.4 The Guest assumes the position and MA of the Missing rider. Buxton vs B.V. Colts was an Original Fixture, whereas Scunthorpe vs Edinburgh was a Re-Arranged Fixture. Dan Bewley is a Doubling Up rider with BV Colts & Edinburgh Under the Regulations, Belle Vue Colts had priority for the services of Dan Bewley as “Doubling Up” rider, per 16.1.3 Therefore Edinburgh were entitled to a Guest Facility as per 18.10.d) for #7 and did not require to be a rider eligible for a NL Team who has never achieved an actual PL MA of 4.00 or above Mitchell Davey is an Edinburgh asset, UK Passport Holder currently riding for Coventry Storm in the National League, and who previously rode for Edinburgh in Premier League in 2013 and his Final PL GSA was 3.00 Mitchell Davey was therefore eligible to Guest for Edinburgh at Scunthorpe in place of Dan Bewley, at no 7 as he met the criteria of 18.11.3 & 18.11.4 of the Regulations So to confirm, the BSPA declared a few weeks back that Bewdley had to give Edinburgh (PL) priority over BV (NL) but have now decided that rules doesn't matter, it's now the rule about owning clubs/re-arranged meetings that matter? There statement falls at the first hurdle because they made that called a couple of weeks/months back about Edinburgh having priority! SCB can you provide details of where and when the BSPA declared that Bewley's (helps if you can spell the rider's name correctly btw ) riding commitments between Edinburgh & BV Colts would be treated outwith the Regulations referred to above (i.e. Edinburgh would always have priority, irrespective of the rules)? Dare I suggest you either have difficulty in comprehending the Regs or are just making it up as you go along? There has been quite a bit of disinformation on here which has already been exposed as unfounded, such as Lucifer Sam falsely claiming that Edinburgh had only declared Davey on Sunday morning, as the SCB announcement on 22/7 has proved, and it appears likes of you, Lucifer Sam & the usual jealous anti-Edinburgh suspects on here, are hell bent on doing so, irrespective of the truth 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argos Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 SCB has made its ruling it's on there Website, makes Rob Godfrey look a right fool, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmon Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 As it does one of the applicants for SCB job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I don't see how anybody has been made to 'look a fool' if there are rules in the rulebook which directly contradict eachother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) I don't see how anybody has been made to 'look a fool' if there are rules in the rulebook which directly contradict eachother. Apart from the people who made the regulations Edited July 23, 2016 by RS50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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